From: tgpedersen
Message: 51231
Date: 2008-01-13
> > > =========Oh, so you were speaking about Boulogne. Thank you.
> > > Arnaud (old)
> > > > People never spoke Dutch where I was born.
>
> Torsten Wrong what? Were you talking about Boulogne or not?
> ========
> Arnaud (New)
> I restate : Boulogne and the neighoring area never were a
> Dutch-speaking area.
> Hope it is clear enough.Your opinion, which you just restated, is clear enough. I was asking
> ===================I know that Truus is Dutch name. Where would you place 'Trise'?
> Torsten :
> > Re: Boulogne/Bonen:
> > Among the Family names mentioned are
> > Boloinge : Xrestienne de Bolongne, 1300, Ch. -
> > Fulkonis de Bolonia (gén.), 1295, C. -
> > Gilles de Boloinge, 1 lb., 1298, T. -
> > filii Simonis de Bolonia (gén.), 1295, C ;
> > Simon de Bouloingne, 1296, R ;
> > Simon de Boloinge, 4 lb., 1298, T ; 1299, P. -
> > Trise de Bolonge, 1283, A.
> > ========
> > Arnaud (old)
> > What do you want to assert with this ?
> > It's graphic variants of Boulogne.
> > =============
>
> That's not the point. Two of the names, Fulcho and Trise, are
> Germanic.
> ===========
> Arnaud (new)
> You have the bad habit of drowning the other guy with an awful lot
> of data, 90% of which is not relevant, so that I don't know what to
> look at.
> Two Germanic names So what ?
> I have previously stated that the area has been colonized by
> Sachsen in the Vth century. Message 49661
> Do you mean these names are typically and recognizably Dutch ?
> TorstenDo you have a source on this?
> Stay on the point. Do you have information that refutes the claim
> made here that the Dutch-speaking area in the 7th-8th century
> included Boulogne?
> ===========
> Arnaud
>
> Pt 1 : Germanic invaders around Boulogne / mer are Saxons.
>
> The area around Boulogne/mer has been invaded by Saxons,
> within a radius of about 30 km between 500 and 600.
> The place-names have distinctly Saxon : AltSaechsisch features.
> Audresselles : Oderselle (1075) < Auda-Hari-seel : seel not saal.
> Selles < Selis (826)
> Flemish names in Flanders end with -zelle or -zeele with voicedBruxelles/Brussel?
> initial.
> Most villages around Boulogne end in -thun from *-tu:n andSource?
> -hem/-hen/-ent from *haim Frethun : Fraidon-tun
> Rinxent : Rinning-s-haim.
> these Saxon names from *haim are pronounced with nasal vowel [aN]
> while Flemish names are pronounced with nasal vowel [eN] or read
> [-em]
> NB:Calais did.
> Some places are supposed to be Norse :
> like Sangatte : sand-gata : sand entrance
> which is a small sandbeach tucked between twenty km of cliffs.
>
> It is completely farfetched to suppose that the area, mostly
> occupied by gallo-romans then invaded by Saxons and Norse should
> speak Dutch.
> Pt 2 : The patois in Boulogne is highly conservative.That restricts French to have come to the area before X century.
>
> Some people still say in year 2008 eau as [jaw] and beau as
> [bjaw].
> As they were in the X century.
> I cannot believe they first speak Dutch and that Dutch vanishedThey did and it did in Calais.
> with no traces.
> People who claim this area once was Dutch are grosslyPlease inform me.
> under-informed.