> As is clear from the Møller quote in
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50938
> in case you read it.
> =======
> Arnaud :
> so what ?
> this message is one light-year from being clear ?
> what do you mean ?
> ==================
If you want me to translate the relevant passage, just say so. Given
all your Dutch-speaking ancestors, I thought you could read it.
'(doch sind keineswegs alle indogermanischen zweikonsonantigen Wurzeln
vorindogermanische zweikonsonantige gewesen, indem sehr viele
ursprünglich transitive dreikonsonantige Nominal- und mit ihnen
identische Verbalstämme, die als transitiv urspr. den zweiten Vokal
betont haben, durch lautgesetzlichen Verlust eines anlautenden
Laryngals À A. H. Y. oder h vor dem (ausfallenden) ersten Vokal
zweikonsonantig geworden sind, wie z. B.
1 n-bh- in ahd. naba 'Nabe' aus *`anébh- < voridg. H.anáP.-,
2 n-bh- in lat. nebula aus *`onébh- < voridg. Y.anáP.-, ebenso
s-bh- ... H.azáP.-,
w-bh- 'weben, texere' ... < H.awáP.-,
w-bh- 'sich bewegen' ... < Y.awáP.-,
u. s. w.)'
"(however, in no way all IE bi-consonantal roots were bi-consonantal
in pre-IE, since a large number of originally transitive
tri-consonantal nominal stems and their identical verbal stems, which
as transitive originally stressed the second syllable, have become
bi-consonantal by regular loss before the (lost) first vowel of a
laryngeal À, A., H., Y. or h in anlaut, as eg.:
1 n-bh- in OHG naba 'Nabe' from *`anébh- < pre-IE H.anáP.-,
2 n-bh- in Latin nebula from *`onébh- < pre-IE Y.anáP.-, as further in
s-bh- ... H.azáP.-,
w-bh- 'weben, texere' ... < H.awáP.-,
w-bh- 'sich bewegen' ... < Y.awáP.-,
etc)"
> > From root '-a-m?- (glottal stop_glottalized m)
>
> Weird nasal. I prefer /n,W/, nasal labiovelar.
>
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> Arnaud :
> What makes you think *nw is less weird than *m?- ??
> I have never imagined something like *nw as a phoneme !?
You overlooked the comma. I write /n,/ for the velar nasal called eng.
/n,W/ is the labiovelar nasal. It corresponds to /kW/ and /gW/ as /n,/
to /k/ and /g/, /n/ to /t/ and /d/, and /m/ to /p/ and /b/ (or perhaps
/w/, in PIE).
Torsten