From: tgpedersen
Message: 50883
Date: 2007-12-12
>As for the linguistic problem, I've proposed something no one else
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@> wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > AFAIK the latest entry on "Thüringer" in the Reallexikon der
> > > germanischen Altertumskunde on the whole rejects the
> > > traditionally drawn link between this people and Hermunduri,
> > > both historically and archaeologically.
> >
> > What reasons do they give?
>
> Here is a brief summary by Dr. Faltin of the RGA article "Thüringer"
> submitted to the Gothic-L.
>
> > The authors clearly reject the old theory, which saw the Thuringi
> > as descendents of the Hermun-duri. M. Springer argues in the
> > historical section of the study that neither the temporal, nor the
> > geographical and especially not the linguistic arguments allow
> > such a link between the Thuringi and Hermunduri. In the
> > archaeological section of the study, C. Theune supports this view
> > and states bluntly that the newer scholarship rejects the link
> > between Thuringi and Hermunduri (p. 536).
> >
> > This leaves the question open where did the Thuringi come from. M.
> > Springer discusses the theory, presented (again) recently by
> > Grahn-Hoek, which argued that the Thuringi originated from
> > remnants of the Tervingi. The idea is that the name T(h)(e)uringi
> > is derived from the form T(h)eruingi. This theory has the
> > advantage that it is linguistically feasible and that it makes
> > sense also from a temporal point of view. I.e. the Theruingi
> > disappear just at the time when the Theuringi appear at the
> > Danube. Grahn-Hoek sites also a lot of historical argumentation
> > for this theory, but the best support comes from archaeology.
> > Thus, archaeologists have shown that carriers of the
> > Chernyakhovs/Sintana-de-Mures culture had moved from the Black
> > Sea to the heartland of the later Thuringian realm in the last
> > decades of the 4th century. B. Schmidt names this group Niemberger
> > Gruppe and Theune wrote that the Thuringian ethnogenesis took
> > place on the basis of this Niemberger Gruppe around 400 AD. Theune
> > states that further horse nomadic and East Germanic influences
> > arrived in the course of the 5th century.
> >
> > Interestingly, in her study Grahn-Hoek had linked the Thuringi
> > with the Terwingi of Athanaric. Among others, she had stated that
> > the Burgundian royal family was descended from Athanaric, the
> > Terwingian judge. Grahn-Hoek argued that such a family link would
> > be much more feasible if remnants of Athanaric's family had moved
> > much further to the west to Thuringia than the usual settlements
> > in Rumania. Indeed, Springer reiterates that early sources usually
> > mention Thuringians and Burgundians side-by-side. He does not
> > refer to the link with Athanaric, but Springer notes that the
> > Thuringian castle Giebichen-stein might be named after the royal
> > house of the Burgundians, the Giebichungen.
> >
> > In his article "Terwingen" in the RGA, G. Kampers mentions an
> > alternative name link, which was also discussed by Grahn-Hoek.
> > Kampers states that the T(h)yringi (which is one of the name forms
> > for Thuringi) could be the name of the Terwingi who lived at the
> > Tyrus river (i.e. the later Dnestr). Such a name form would be
> > analogue to the Tanaites, i.e. the Alan who lived at the Tanais
> > river (Don).
>