From: Rick McCallister
Message: 50881
Date: 2007-12-12
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"____________________________________________________________________________________
> <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans"
> <ualarauans@> wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > AFAIK the latest entry on "Thüringer" in the
> Reallexikon der
> > > germanischen Altertumskunde on the whole rejects
> the
> traditionally
> > > drawn link between this people and Hermunduri,
> both historically
> and
> > > archaeologically.
> >
> > What reasons do they give?
>
> Here is a brief summary by Dr. Faltin of the RGA
> article "Thüringer"
> submitted to the Gothic-L.
>
> > The authors clearly reject the old
> > theory, which saw the Thuringi as descendents of
> the Hermun-duri.
> M.
> > Springer argues in the historical section of the
> study that neither
> > the temporal, nor the geographical and especially
> not the
> linguistic
> > arguments allow such a link between the Thuringi
> and Hermunduri. In
> > the archaeological section of the study, C. Theune
> supports this
> view
> > and states bluntly that the newer scholarship
> rejects the link
> > between Thuringi and Hermunduri (p. 536).
> >
> > This leaves the question open where did the
> Thuringi come from. M.
> > Springer discusses the theory, presented (again)
> recently by Grahn-
> > Hoek, which argued that the Thuringi originated
> from remnants of
> the
> > Tervingi. The idea is that the name T(h)(e)uringi
> is derived from
> the
> > form T(h)eruingi. This theory has the advantage
> that it is
> > linguistically feasible and that it makes sense
> also from a
> temporal
> > point of view. I.e. the Theruingi disappear just
> at the time when
> the
> > Theuringi appear at the Danube. Grahn-Hoek sites
> also a lot of
> > historical argumentation for this theory, but the
> best support
> comes
> > from archaeology. Thus, archaeologists have shown
> that carriers of
> > the Chernyakhovs/Sintana-de-Mures culture had
> moved from the Black
> > Sea to the heartland of the later Thuringian realm
> in the last
> > decades of the 4th century. B. Schmidt names this
> group Niemberger
> > Gruppe and Theune wrote that the Thuringian
> ethnogenesis took place
> > on the basis of this Niemberger Gruppe around 400
> AD. Theune states
> > that further horse nomadic and East Germanic
> influences arrived in
> > the course of the 5th century.
> >
> > Interestingly, in her study Grahn-Hoek had linked
> the Thuringi with
> > the Terwingi of Athanaric. Among others, she had
> stated that the
> > Burgundian royal family was descended from
> Athanaric, the
> Terwingian
> > judge. Grahn-Hoek argued that such a family link
> would be much more
> > feasible if remnants of Athanaric's family had
> moved much further
> to
> > the west to Thuringia than the usual settlements
> in Rumania.
> Indeed,
> > Springer reiterates that early sources usually
> mention Thuringians
> > and Burgundians side-by-side. He does not refer to
> the link with
> > Athanaric, but Springer notes that the Thuringian
> castle Giebichen-
> > stein might be named after the royal house of the
> Burgundians, the
> > Giebichungen.
> >
> > In his article "Terwingen" in the RGA, G. Kampers
> mentions an
> > alternative name link, which was also discussed by
> Grahn-Hoek.
> > Kampers states that the T(h)yringi (which is one
> of the name forms
> > for Thuringi) could be the name of the Terwingi
> who lived at the
> > Tyrus river (i.e. the later Dnestr). Such a name
> form would be
> > analogue to the Tanaites, i.e. the Alan who lived
> at the Tanais
> river
> > (Don).
>
>