Re: Thüringen (Was: -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > AFAIK the latest entry on "Thüringer" in the Reallexikon der
> > germanischen Altertumskunde on the whole rejects the

traditionally

> > drawn link between this people and Hermunduri, both historically

and

> > archaeologically.
>
> What reasons do they give?

Here is a brief summary by Dr. Faltin of the RGA article "Thüringer"
submitted to the Gothic-L.

> The authors clearly reject the old
> theory, which saw the Thuringi as descendents of the Hermun-duri.

M.

> Springer argues in the historical section of the study that neither
> the temporal, nor the geographical and especially not the

linguistic

> arguments allow such a link between the Thuringi and Hermunduri. In
> the archaeological section of the study, C. Theune supports this

view

> and states bluntly that the newer scholarship rejects the link
> between Thuringi and Hermunduri (p. 536).
>
> This leaves the question open where did the Thuringi come from. M.
> Springer discusses the theory, presented (again) recently by Grahn-
> Hoek, which argued that the Thuringi originated from remnants of

the

> Tervingi. The idea is that the name T(h)(e)uringi is derived from

the

> form T(h)eruingi. This theory has the advantage that it is
> linguistically feasible and that it makes sense also from a

temporal

> point of view. I.e. the Theruingi disappear just at the time when

the

> Theuringi appear at the Danube. Grahn-Hoek sites also a lot of
> historical argumentation for this theory, but the best support

comes

> from archaeology. Thus, archaeologists have shown that carriers of
> the Chernyakhovs/Sintana-de-Mures culture had moved from the Black
> Sea to the heartland of the later Thuringian realm in the last
> decades of the 4th century. B. Schmidt names this group Niemberger
> Gruppe and Theune wrote that the Thuringian ethnogenesis took place
> on the basis of this Niemberger Gruppe around 400 AD. Theune states
> that further horse nomadic and East Germanic influences arrived in
> the course of the 5th century.
>
> Interestingly, in her study Grahn-Hoek had linked the Thuringi with
> the Terwingi of Athanaric. Among others, she had stated that the
> Burgundian royal family was descended from Athanaric, the

Terwingian

> judge. Grahn-Hoek argued that such a family link would be much more
> feasible if remnants of Athanaric's family had moved much further

to

> the west to Thuringia than the usual settlements in Rumania.

Indeed,

> Springer reiterates that early sources usually mention Thuringians
> and Burgundians side-by-side. He does not refer to the link with
> Athanaric, but Springer notes that the Thuringian castle Giebichen-
> stein might be named after the royal house of the Burgundians, the
> Giebichungen.
>
> In his article "Terwingen" in the RGA, G. Kampers mentions an
> alternative name link, which was also discussed by Grahn-Hoek.
> Kampers states that the T(h)yringi (which is one of the name forms
> for Thuringi) could be the name of the Terwingi who lived at the
> Tyrus river (i.e. the later Dnestr). Such a name form would be
> analogue to the Tanaites, i.e. the Alan who lived at the Tanais

river

> (Don).