Re: Thüringen (Was: -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-)

From: tgpedersen
Message: 50863
Date: 2007-12-11

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > What do you think of the name Thuringia? cf
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29509
>
> where you wrote:
>
> > Not to forget the Hermunduri < some Iranian dialect *erman-dur-
> > "Tur-people", replaced later by the translation Thuringi, later
> > Doringi, ie. þur-inga-, of which the earliest contingent ended up
> > as Tungri in Tongern (note that the /t/ is _not_ yet
> > Grimm-shifted!), cf Tacitus' remark that those they first called
> > Germani later turned out to be Tungri, to be understood as just
> > another group among the Germani. The reality behind this is that
> > as the Romans decimate the Nordwestblock peoples, more and more
> > join the "Germanic cause" and also language, for obviously
> > practical reasons. A linguistic polarisation, in other
> > words.
>
> AFAIK the latest entry on "Thüringer" in the Reallexikon der
> germanischen Altertumskunde on the whole rejects the traditionally
> drawn link between this people and Hermunduri, both historically and
> archaeologically.

What reasons do they give?


> Besides, what I did never understand is how [Hermun]duri could have
> evolved to Thur[ingi] phonetically.

Piotr pointed out that the Th- was historicizing:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/13694


> On another list I was told that the name Thüringen ceased to be used
> ca. 13th-14th ct. and was brought back to life about 1800. We should
> take this fact into account considering the anlaut-th in Thüringen.
> It may well have been rather an ornamental way of writing [t].

Writing D-, as it turns out.


> By the way, what do you hold of the idea of Sanskrit tura-
> "swift", "powerful" as cognate to [Hermun]-duri and/or Thuringi
> (I don't remember where I saw it)?

I was thinking more along these lines:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46410


Torsten