Re: Thüringen (Was: -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-)

It definitely looks strange
/tu-/ in High German should have become /cu/ as in
Turicum > Zürich
/thu-/ should have become /du/ as in thou vs. du
High German /tu-/ should be from /du-/
I realize Thuringia is near the dividing line of High
German and the Middle dialects, --I'm guessing it's
linguistically between Franconian and Saxon, so maybe
a German expert can tell us what's going on here.

--- ualarauans <ualarauans@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > What do you think of the name Thuringia? cf
> >
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29509

>
> where you wrote:
>
> > Not to forget the Hermunduri < some Iranian
> dialect *erman-dur-
> "Tur-
> > people", replaced later by the translation
> Thuringi, later Doringi,
> > ie. þur-inga-, of which the earliest contingent
> ended up as Tungri
> in
> > Tongern (note that the /t/ is _not_ yet
> Grimm-shifted!), cf
> Tacitus'
> > remark that those they first called Germani later
> turned out to be
> > Tungri, to be understood as just another group
> among the Germani.
> The
> > reality behind this is that as the Romans decimate
> the
> Nordwestblock
> > peoples, more and more join the "Germanic cause"
> and also language,
> > for obviously practical reasons. A linguistic
> polarisation, in
> other
> > words.
>
> AFAIK the latest entry on "Thüringer" in the
> Reallexikon der
> germanischen Altertumskunde on the whole rejects the
> traditionally
> drawn link between this people and Hermunduri, both
> historically and
> archaeologically. Besides, what I did never
> understand is how
> [Hermun]duri could have evolved to Thur[ingi]
> phonetically. On
> another list I was told that the name Thüringen
> ceased to be used
> ca. 13th-14th ct. and was brought back to life about
> 1800. We should
> take this fact into account considering the
> anlaut-th in Thüringen.
> It may well have been rather an ornamental way of
> writing [t]. By
> the way, what do you hold of the idea of Sanskrit
> tura-
> "swift", "powerful" as cognate to [Hermun]-duri
> and/or Thuringi
> (I don't remember where I saw it)?
>
> > and earlier on the same subject. There is
> something odd about a
> whole
> > syllable, *-na-, not just a nasal, disappearing
> between West
> Germanic
> > and North Germanic.
> >
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/33888

>
> I'll have to look closer into it.
>
>

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