Re: IE *p and *b

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From: meska_jd

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:28 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] IE *p and *b

Ok, and now you came back to my initial point. if /b/ was [w] in IE
(as they seem to suggest) and we have Celtic evidence that /p/ was
very likely [P] (bilabial fricative) in the first place, then why
can't we suppose that there were no [b] and [p] in IE at all, just [w]
and [P]?
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A.F

PIE *b is from *p? (glottalized)

Latin lab-ia, English lip : Hausa leb?e

 

PIE *w has two origins : *w and (older than PIE) *b (voiced)

Examples of Pre-PIE *b

aw-unculus "oncle" : Arabic ?ab "father"

(h)au-d "no" : Arabic ?ab-î "to deny".

aw-s "to draw water" : Hebrew sa?ab (with s- at a different place)

 

PIE *p is clearly a voiceless labial stop.

I think this does not require any example.

 

[P] is exceeding rare among world's languages

and it's quite possible that its existence requires that of /p/

Universal prerequisite. => Ladefoged

Arnaud

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