[tied] Re: -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-

Gdansk can well be of Prussian origin. Compare "gudden" - "a
bush", "a forest"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

>
> On 2007-12-09 12:54, ualarauans wrote:
>
> > There's an article by Tomasz Czarnecki dealing with Gothic loans

in

> > Polish [http://www.fh.ug.gda.pl/images/Czarnecki.pdf%5d. He lists

Polish

> > Gdan'sk and Torun' under the category of "mögliche

Entlehnungsfälle"

> > (pp. 11-13). Now if these settlement names are indeed Gothic,

they

> > must have survived the later Slavic colonization of what is now

Poland.

>
> I don't understand Czarnecki's suggestion concerning Torun' (there

seems

> to be some kind of complex typo due to problems with fonts), so

it's

> difficult to comment on it. The alleged Gothic prototype of the

name of

> Gdan'sk is given first as "*gudiscandja", then (more correctly)
> "*gutiskandja" (it would actually have been something like

*gutisks

> andeis in Wulfilan terms, from *Gutiskaz anDijaz). I'm very

sceptical

> about the possibility of deriving anything like *gUdanIskU from

that

> without shuffling the segments up in a way that strains

credibility.

> Other geographical names mentioned in the article include the

rivername

> Tanew. I used to believe myself that it looked liked a borrowing

from

> Gothic, but see:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/28324
>
> Not that I dismiss all that material. Many of those Gothic (well,

let's

> say early (East) Germanic) sources are fully plausible.
>
> Piotr
>