Re: Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:44 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

Since I don't have the wherewithal to judge, please
tell me how Yenesseian is related to IE. Is it
Nostratic? How close is it related to Uralic, then?

--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
wrote:

> I am afraid not,
> whatever you label "sino-tibetan"
> Yenissei is just a (forgotten and overlooked) branch
> of Indo-European,
> They are the only languages 2 000 miles around
> that have masculine, feminine and neutral gender,
> Ket and Kot are not close relative of Tibetan and
> Chinese.
> They belong to PIE,
> And they originate in Anatolia, just like the rest
> of PIE.
>
> Starostin's analyses are worth nothing.
> Requiescat in pace.
>
> Arnaud
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs.
> nighingale)
>
>
> And the southern end of the Yenessei is the
> original
> home of Ket et al. So are you linking Sino-Tibetan
> &
> Uralic to Yenesseian?
>
> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
> wrote:
>
> > Arnaud to Torsten,
> >
> > One reference is interesting as far as I am
> > concerned :
> >
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/42758
> >
> > I disagree with the idea that SiChuan is the
> > homeland of Tibeto-Birman,
> > for at least two reasons :
> > 1. I do not believe Tibeto-Birman is a
> legitimate
> > family,
> > 2. Next, I think Uralic is the closest parent to
> > Tibetan and Chinese,
> > even though this statement requires
> documentation.
> > I believe Tibetan and Uralic originate in the
> > southern basin of Ob and Ienissei Rivers.
> >
> > I have previously discussed the word "egg" :
> > Chinese dan4 < *tox-an
> > Micro-burmese *tuj < *tox
> > Compare Hungarian toj-ash "egg" < *tox
> >
> > Arnaud
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tgpedersen
> > To: cybalist@... s.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:54 PM
> > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Anser
> > (was: swallow vs. nighingale)
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@... s.com,
> "fournet.arnaud"
> > <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: tgpedersen
> > > To: cybalist@... s.com
> > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:29 AM
> > > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied]
> Anser
> > (was: swallow vs.
> > nighingale)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How do you know that?
> > >
> > > Myself, I think there was some kind of
> sea-born
> > trade with SEAsia
> > > going on them, possibly around Africa, which
> > accounts for these words
> > > as loanwords from SEAsia.
> > >
> > > You will enjoy these:
> > >
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Op.html
> > >
> >
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Opr.html
> > >
> > > Torsten
> > > =========
> > >
> > > A.F :
> > >
> > > I agree some words in PAA are loanwords from
> SE
> > Asia,
> > > especially : kl_b "dog"
> > > But I do not think *p_l is a loanword from SE
> > Asia.
> > > I was disappointed by your references :
> nothing
> > about "full"
> > > I suppose something went wrong when giving the
> > references.
> >
> > There are a few references in the bottom. But
> > you're right, here is
> > the real reference:
> > http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ pl.html
> >
> > The whole area of 'manifestations' of *p-l- etc
> > suffers from what I
> > unsavourily referred to as the spittoon problem
> >
> >
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/8719
> >
> > which is why the way I've divided up the whole
> > field into roots is
> > somewhat arbitrary, here's another part of it:
> >
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ bHrl.html
> >
> > On the origin of these terms, this is relevants:
> >
> >
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/45555
> > What I think happened is that some type of early
> > geometry, a theory of
> > weights and measures, was developed in China or
> > environs (as much as
> > early agriculture needed, with fixed boundaries
> > between pieces of
> > land), and that it was exported, and with it the
> > various words.
> > You might want to read the article I refer to.
> It
> > is
> > Matisoff, James A.:
> > 1988. "Universal semantics and allofamic
> > identification -- two
> > Sino-Tibetan case-studies: STRAIGHT / FLAT /
> FULL
> > and PROPERTY /
> > LIVESTOCK / TALENT."
> > In Akihiro Sato, ed.,
> > Languages and History in East Asia, pp. 3-14.
> > Kyoto: Shokado.
> >
> > Also
> >
> >
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/42758
> >
> >
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/43973
> >
> > Torsten
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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