From: Rick McCallister
Message: 50749
Date: 2007-12-08
> What we have is :http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/36019
> - three forms : leben, lev, löv
> - two areas
> We don't know what kind of places
> these forms are used to name,
> and whether they apply to a homogeneous class
> of place-names.
> What could be the meaning of this *L_V word ?
>
> Arnaud
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:02 PM
> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied]
> -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-
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>
> I've uploaded (folder -leben,-lev,-löv and -ung-)
> two maps from
> Udolph: Namenkundliche Studien zum
> Germanenproblem,
> showing the distribution, repectively, of names in
> -leben,-lev,-löv
> and in -ung-.
> I'd like to point out that in Germania they almost
> don't overlap, but
> are concentrated in two large lumps opposing each
> other west of
> Thuringia. Both name types are concentrated west
> of the river Elbe.
> Further there is a large gap between the -leben
> names in Thuringia and
> environs and the -lev/-löv names of southern
> Scandinavia. All this
> fits in nicely with a theory that the
> -leben/-lev/-löv names belong to
> the languages of invaders from the east, who later
> gave up their
> territory when Germania became a Roman province up
> to the Elbe, moving
> to southern Scandinavia to claim new land (many of
> the non-Christian
> PNs that make up the first element of the -leben
> names recur in the
> -lev/-löv names, as if the same guy had claimed
> land twice), and that
> the -ung- names are older, possibly Vasconic/Old
> European (?, cf
>
>
> relevant since the place name suffix *-ing- ishttp://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48455
> homonymous with the
> Germanic verbal noun suffix *-ing- (does in exist
> in Gothic?) and
> could have been derived similarly.
>
> Beside many examples of placenames in -ung- with
> opaque first
> elements, Udolph has also
> Usingen, 8th cent. Osinga, Osungen, Osanga,
> Oasunge;
> Uhry, 1022 Wurungen, Wurungon, ca. 1150 Uerincge,
> 1318 Vringe
> Wasungen, 874 Uuasunga
> of which the first element seems to be *was-,
> *wo:s- "wasteland"
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/ws.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wH.html
>
>
> and the discussion starting athttp://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/33467
>
>
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> which I (following Venneman) also suspect of being
>
> Vasconic/Old European
>
> Torsten
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