Re: [tied] -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:

>
> At 5:58:57 AM on Thursday, December 6, 2007, tgpedersen
> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> > <gabaroo6958@> wrote:
>
> >> So, any relation to George? The one from Wassa's ton?
>
> > Hard to say.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington%2C_Tyne_and_Wear
>
> > This article roots for *hwæs- but doesn't document the h-;
> > instead it cites a Wasindone from 1096.
>
> The <Washington> in Tyne and Wear is 'the estate called
> after Hwæssa', from OE <Hwæssingtûn>. Forms:
>
> Wessint', Wessinton ~1170x80
> Wessington('),-yng- 1183[~1320], 1196x1215-1473
> Wesshyngton, -yng- 1411-1556
>
> Wassinton' 1211
> Wassington, -yng- 1382, 1418
> Wasshin(g)ton 1406
> Washington 1581-
>
> Quessigton' 1280
> Quessigton' ~1310
> Whessyngton 1475, 1548
> Qwassyngton 1388x1406
> Whassington, -yng- 1350-70
>
> It's the third group that shows that the base anthroponym
> must have been <Hwæssa> rather than <Wassa> (see below).
> Victor Watts notes that the first two groups seem to have
> been influenced by OE <wæsse> 'a wet place, a swamp, a
> marsh', which however does not at all fit the topography.

According to the Wikipedia article, some disagree:
"A second potential Anglo-Saxon origin, could be from Old English wæsc
"to wash" + -inga 'people of' + du:n "hill" (i.e. people of the
hill by the stream). This theory originates from its proximity to the
Wear. This origin could possible be shown in an apparent record of the
name as Wasindone from 1096."
cf Udolph p. 154:
"Schon E. Förstemann waren die -ungen-bildungen aufgefallen, weil sie
sehr häufig von Flussnamen abgeleitet sind",
but he also quotes G. Mann stating that "die Ortsbenennung nach
Personen ... im germ. Bereich offensichtlig erst eine Erscheinung der
späteren Landnahmezeit [ist]".
But how many of those putative PNs are separately documented?

> The name <Hwæssa> is also seen in <Whessoe> (Durham).

Odd. Especially since the the forms without k- or h- are the oldest.

Are there similar alternations in other English placenames and if yes,
do they occur in names of any particular type?

> The <Washington> in West Sussex is 'the settlement of the
> Wassingas, the people called after Wassa', from OE
> <Wassingatûn>. Forms:
>
> Wessingatun 946x7[12th c.]
> (æt) Wassingatune, Wasingatun 947[13th c.]
> (æt) Wasingatune 963[13th c.]
> Wassingatune before 1080
> Wasingetune 1086
> Wassington 1261-1439
> Washington 1397
>

There is a Vassingerød in North Sjælland. That Wassa dude sure gets
around.
Are the PNs Hwæssa and Wassa documented?



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