Re: Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

Arnaud to Torsten,

One reference is interesting as far as I am concerned :

http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/42758

I disagree with the idea that SiChuan is the homeland of Tibeto-Birman,

for at least two reasons :

1. I do not believe Tibeto-Birman is a legitimate family,

2. Next, I think Uralic is the closest parent to Tibetan and Chinese,

even though this statement requires documentation.

I believe Tibetan and Uralic originate in the southern basin of Ob and Ienissei Rivers.

I have previously discussed the word "egg" :

Chinese dan4 < *tox-an

Micro-burmese *tuj < *tox

Compare Hungarian toj-ash "egg" < *tox

Arnaud

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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:54 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

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> ----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs.
nighingale)
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> How do you know that?
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> Myself, I think there was some kind of sea-born trade with SEAsia
> going on them, possibly around Africa, which accounts for these words
> as loanwords from SEAsia.
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> You will enjoy these:
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Op.html
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Opr.html
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> Torsten
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> A.F :
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> I agree some words in PAA are loanwords from SE Asia,
> especially : kl_b "dog"
> But I do not think *p_l is a loanword from SE Asia.
> I was disappointed by your references : nothing about "full"
> I suppose something went wrong when giving the references.

There are a few references in the bottom. But you're right, here is
the real reference:
http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ pl.html

The whole area of 'manifestations' of *p-l- etc suffers from what I
unsavourily referred to as the spittoon problem
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/8719
which is why the way I've divided up the whole field into roots is
somewhat arbitrary, here's another part of it:
http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ bHrl.html

On the origin of these terms, this is relevants:
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/45555
What I think happened is that some type of early geometry, a theory of
weights and measures, was developed in China or environs (as much as
early agriculture needed, with fixed boundaries between pieces of
land), and that it was exported, and with it the various words.
You might want to read the article I refer to. It is
Matisoff, James A.:
1988. "Universal semantics and allofamic identification -- two
Sino-Tibetan case-studies: STRAIGHT / FLAT / FULL and PROPERTY /
LIVESTOCK / TALENT."
In Akihiro Sato, ed.,
Languages and History in East Asia, pp. 3-14.
Kyoto: Shokado.

Also
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/42758
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/43973

Torsten