Re: -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-

Any relarion between -ung and -ing as a gentilicio (to
use the Spanish word --I don't know any English
equivalent, e.g. ethnic or family suffix)? Apologies
if you already answered this and I missed it


--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
>
> I've uploaded (folder -leben,-lev,-löv and -ung-)
> two maps from
> Udolph: Namenkundliche Studien zum Germanenproblem,
> showing the distribution, repectively, of names in
> -leben,-lev,-löv
> and in -ung-.
> I'd like to point out that in Germania they almost
> don't overlap, but
> are concentrated in two large lumps opposing each
> other west of
> Thuringia. Both name types are concentrated west of
> the river Elbe.
> Further there is a large gap between the -leben
> names in Thuringia and
> environs and the -lev/-löv names of southern
> Scandinavia. All this
> fits in nicely with a theory that the
> -leben/-lev/-löv names belong to
> the languages of invaders from the east, who later
> gave up their
> territory when Germania became a Roman province up
> to the Elbe, moving
> to southern Scandinavia to claim new land (many of
> the non-Christian
> PNs that make up the first element of the -leben
> names recur in the
> -lev/-löv names, as if the same guy had claimed land
> twice), and that
> the -ung- names are older, possibly Vasconic/Old
> European (?, cf
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/36019

> relevant since the place name suffix *-ing- is
> homonymous with the
> Germanic verbal noun suffix *-ing- (does in exist in
> Gothic?) and
> could have been derived similarly.
>
> Beside many examples of placenames in -ung- with
> opaque first
> elements, Udolph has also
> Usingen, 8th cent. Osinga, Osungen, Osanga, Oasunge;
>
> Uhry, 1022 Wurungen, Wurungon, ca. 1150 Uerincge,
> 1318 Vringe
> Wasungen, 874 Uuasunga
> of which the first element seems to be *was-, *wo:s-
> "wasteland"
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/ws.html
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wH.html
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48455

> and the discussion starting at
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/33467

>
> which I (following Venneman) also suspect of being
> Vasconic/Old European
>
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>

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