Re: Res: Res: Res: [tied] Re: Etimology of Hellene / Amerigo, Laudom

The name Amerigo is well attested. There is for example a noted individual, Amerigo di Filippo Cavalcanti who was a wealthy merchant with interests in 14th century Naples and Athens. His granddaughter Ginevra di Giovanni di Amerigo married Lorenzo de' Medici il Popolano.

There are many documents that mention ser Amerigo, and they never mispell the name. The confusion probably arose because both names sound quite similar.

These 14th century Italian names are fascinating: take Laudomia. It's misinterpreted as ``laudation of the house.'' In fact it stems from Greek laodámia, lady tamer of the people (the current head of the Pucci enterprises is Laudomia Pucci, I think).

And - how about Gugliarello? Riccomanno?

Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> escreveu:

I've also seen Amerigo as from Alberigo "all bright"

--- Francisco Antonio Doria <doriagen@... com.br>
wrote:

> I'm going to check it. It's rather obscure, like
> Haimrich > Amerigo, ou Nibelung > Napoleone.
>
> "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> escreveu:
>
> Aleramo could be from Germanic All- "all".
>
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> De: Francisco Antonio Doria <doriagen@... com.br>
> Para: cybalist@... s.com
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2007
> 11:27:43
> Assunto: Re: Res: Res: [tied] Re: Etimology of
> Hellene
>
> My own guess is that it is
> derived from Helléne. Liguria has a tradition for
> weird first names: Aleramo, Napoleone (very common
> among the Lomellini), for example. I don't recall
> the actual etimology for Aleramo, but Napoleone is
> derived from... Nibelung!
>
> (Later the Orsini adopted Napoleone as one of their
> main first names.)
>
> The Counts Nibelung were a side branch of the
> Carolingians; their seat was at Nivelles, Belgium,
> whereas their name. Later a pop etimology was
> concocted: out of Nebel, mist.
>
> "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> escreveu:
>
> Hi, Francisco!
> Perhaps a cross of Juliana with Hellena?
>
> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: Francisco Antonio Doria <doriagen@... com.br>
> Para: cybalist@... s.com
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2007
> 4:20:09
> Assunto: Re: Res: [tied] Re: Ethymology of Hellene
>
> Hi, João :))
>
> And the derivation of (Ligurian, middle ages)
> Eliano/Eliana from Helléne ?
>
> "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> escreveu:
>
> Hellens' eponym is Helle:n. Would be it linked to
> Helle: (cf. Hellespontos) ?
> Sedla:n- < *Sedla:-
> Hellas (-ad-) < *Sedla(:)-d-
> Maybe Helle:n < *Sedla-wen- ?
>
> Maybe Hellas meant *SedlaH "the settlement", or "the
> colony", or something like that...
>
> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: stlatos <stlatos@... com>
> Para: cybalist@... s.com
> Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 28 de Novembro de 2007
> 0:36:06
> Assunto: [tied] Re: Ethymology of Hellene
>
> --- In cybalist@...
> s.com, "homermakedonski"
> <homermakedonski@ ...> wrote:
>
> > A more scientific
> > approach considers this an aitiological myth
> > <http://www.biologyd aily.com/ biology/Aitiolog
> y> , placing the origin of
> > the name in Epirus <http://www.biologyd aily.com/
> biology/Epirus> , the
> > land of the Dorians <http://www.biologyd
> aily.com/ biology/Dorians> ,
> > where people were called Selloi or Helloi. The
> etymology of the term is
> > *sedlenes, meaning "settlers"
>
> This is probably basically correct, though I'd say
> it was a
> derivation from noun *sed(t)lo+ 'seat' >> verb
> *sedlax+ 'settle' >>
> noun *sedlaxno+s 'settler' which was put into the
> C-stems later.
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