Re[2]: [tied] Re: Cimbri Name = the thieves

At 7:19:56 PM on Monday, November 19, 2007, Rick McCallister
wrote:

> --- "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:

>> At 11:53:19 AM on Monday, November 19, 2007, tgpedersen
>> wrote:

>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
>>> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

>>>> Some dialects of English still have /ü/: in parts of
>>>> Appalachia and some dialects of Scotland;

>> Not still, but again, if you're thinking of OE /y/. The
>> OE front rounded vowels were lost in the North; the later
>> Northern front rounded vowels had other sources.

> True but they do exist in some forms of Scots and in
> southern Appalachia, where <new> comes out as /nü/ or
> /ny/ if you wish

I know; I was objecting to 'still', not to the statement
that there are varieties with front rounded vowels.

>>>> I'd think most dialects of English have /ö/

>> That seems unlikely, if you mean present-day dialects.

> In English /@/ + /R/ produces /öR/ or /ö/ in most
> dialects, or at least the vowel is indistinguishable from
> German /ö/

You seem to be confusing slants with brackets. Do you mean
that /&R/ is realized as [ö(R)]? If so, I altogether
disagree: the vowel is definitely not [ö] in most dialects.
If not, I can't make any sense of the statement, since most
English varieties have no phoneme /ö/.

Brian