Re: Cimbri Name = the thieves

--- "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:

> At 11:53:19 AM on Monday, November 19, 2007,
> tgpedersen
> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> > <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
>
> >> Some dialects of English still have /ü/: in parts
> of
> >> Appalachia and some dialects of Scotland;
>
> Not still, but again, if you're thinking of OE /y/.
> The OE
> front rounded vowels were lost in the North; the
> later
> Northern front rounded vowels had other sources.

True but they do exist in some forms of Scots and in
southern Appalachia, where <new> comes out as /nü/ or
/ny/ if you wish

>
> >> I'd think most dialects of English have /ö/
>
> That seems unlikely, if you mean present-day
> dialects.

In English /@/ + /R/ produces /öR/ or /ö/ in most
dialects, or at least the vowel is indistinguishable
from German /ö/

>
> >> But I ask if Celtic languages have these sounds.
> I
> >> don't think Gaelic, Welsh and Cornish have /ü/
> and I
> >> don't know about /ö/
>
> > AFAIK they had in earlier stages.
>
> I don't believe that Old Irish had them. If I
> remember
> correctly from Jackson, Celtic /u:/ > Brit. /ü:/ >
> Brit.
> /i:/, yielding /i/ in Welsh, Cornish, and Breton;
> Old Welsh,
> Old Cornish, and Old Breton had /ü/ from /u/ in some
> contexts; late OCorc. and OBret. developed /ö:/ from
> /O:/;
> and I'm sure that I've forgotten some. They aren't
> Common
> Celtic, so far as I know.
>
> Brian
>
>
>

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