Re: Cimbri Name = the thieves

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:40 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Re: Cimbri Name = the thieves

Some dialects of English still have /ü/: in parts of
Appalachia and some dialects of Scotland;

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Rick Mc Callister wrote :

I'd think  most dialects of English have /ö/

 

A.F

This is quite a strange point of view about English,

As far as concerned, having closed ö in French peu and

open ö in French peur,

I would conclude that most (if not all modern English dialects)

do not have anything like that.

English modern dialects have a central non rounded vowel, like in the word <purr>

not a front rounded vowel. English purr [për] does not rhyme with French peur [pöR].

Just ask an English native speaker to utter the French word <feuillure> [föjüR]

and you will know what French /ö/ and /ü/ are about.

I guess 99,99 % English native speakers will fail to utter anything understandable to a French native speaker, with no knowledge of English.

I know this from experience : [föjüR] is not [fëjuwr]. I have seen English colleagues failing to be understood. Modern English language has nothing like /ö/.

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But I ask if Celtic languages have these sounds. I
don't think Gaelic, Welsh and Cornish have /ü/ and I
don't know about /ö/

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:

>
> > http://www.davidkfa ux.org/Cimbri- Chronology. pdf
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cimbri
> > Perhaps one ought to add a sixth 'possiblity' in
> the latter article,
> > like this:
> > 6) The Cimbri were Celtic-speaking like most of
> Northern Europe at the
> > time; the Germanic language arrived from the east
> into the later
> > Germania only around 50 - 1 BCE.
>
> BTW there's the old observation that the +high,
> +round vowels [ü, ö
> ..] are found only in languages spoken in previously
> Celtic-speaking
> areas: English (formerly), Dutch, French, German;
> but North Germanic
> has those vowels too.
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>

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