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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > > But PIE dental + dental > PGerm. -ss- too, without exception
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> > > Not at all. I gave a long list of words with T+t > st after r
()
> > > and other conditions fairly recently.
> >
> > Where?
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> A long discussion, including this:
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> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48945
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I think that we need to explain the possible timeframe of the
Geminated -tt- (for English hat) in realtion with T+T > ss timeframe
for PGermanic
The basic phenomenon for Proto-Germanic origin of : *kk, *tt and *pp is
Kluge's Law
But I'm not able to put in equation the Germanic T+T > ss timeframe
in relation with Kluge's Law Timeframe
Could somebody help me?
Thanks,
Marius
(from Wikipedia)
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Kluge's Law is a Proto-Germanic sound law formulated by Friedrich
Kluge. It describes the assimilation of an n to a preceding voiced
consonant, under the condition that the n was part of a suffix which
was accented in Proto-Indo-European (PIE). This law explains the origin
of the Proto Germanic geminates *kk, *tt and *pp. Even though Kluge
does not claim to have originally discovered the phenomenon, it is
still named after him, because he provided the canonical formulation of
the sound law.
The law has sparked discussions about the chronology of Grimm's Law,
Verner's Law and this new law, Kluge's Law. The problem is that the
traditional ordering (1. Grimm, 2. Verner, 3. Kluge) can not account
for the absence of voice in the Proto Germanic geminates. It has
therefore been proposed to rearrange the order of events so that the
Proto Germanic geminates' loss of voice may be equated with that part
of Grimm's Law that turns mediae into voiceless tenues. This would mean
that Kluge's Law happened before (or between different phases of)
Grimm's Law. If accepted, this has further consequences, because
Verner's Law must in fact precede Kluge's Law, or otherwise it can not
be explained why both the reflexes of PIE voiced aspirated plosives and
PIE voiceless plosives underwent Kluge's Law. Consequently, this would
put Verner's Law chronologically in the first position, followed by
Kluge's and finally Grimm's Law.