From: Rick McCallister
Message: 50265
Date: 2007-10-11
> http://www.geocities.com/tjaaehkere/Aikio2004.pdf____________________________________________________________________________________
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> I have looked at "Topography".
>
> Some words are unduly held to be non - Uralic,
> like njarra "cape"
> Cf. Uralic Moksha mordvin : njar "cape"
>
> Many words look like Satem PIE :
> like barshi "mountain" < *bh_rgh
>
> It seems this pre-Saami Substrate is
> some variety of Satem PIE,
> (Most probably close to Baltic).
> One more proof that Germanic has a homeland
> to be found outside Scandinavia.
>
> A.F
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fournet.arnaud
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> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed
> as Vasco-Caucasian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:08 AM
> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re:
> Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
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> > Aikio's 2004 paper "An essay on substrate
> studies and the origin of
> > the Saami" took a lot of searching for, but is
> available at
> >
> http://www.geocities.com/tjaaehkere/Aikio2004.pdf
> > (if someone has already posted the link on
> Cybalist, I missed it
> > somehow)
> > He doesn't say 25%, but he does give an
> impressively long list of
> > probable substrate words.
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> A.F
>
> Impressive, indeed.
>
> I am not sure all words have to be discarded as
> non Uralic.
>
> For example njarra "cape" related to the word
> "nose"
>
> Some words starting with sk- look PIE.
>
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>
> One is uffir "heap of rocks or rocky slope near
> the seashore" which I
> like since it's one of my favorite Wanderwörter,
> if related to Germ.
> Ufer, Du. oever "river bank", cf
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Op.html
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Opr.html
> This is borrowed later than Proto-Saami, which
> means the Saami met it
> in their expansion into their present homes, ie.
> into Scandinavia. So
> this wanderword had arrived there already then.
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>
> A.F
>
> What is wrong with Kluge's analysis of Ufer ?
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> Torsten
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