Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

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From: tgpedersen

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Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

> Aikio's 2004 paper "An essay on substrate studies and the origin of
> the Saami" took a lot of searching for, but is available at
> http://www.geocitie s.com/tjaaehkere /Aikio2004. pdf
> (if someone has already posted the link on Cybalist, I missed it
> somehow)
> He doesn't say 25%, but he does give an impressively long list of
> probable substrate words.
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A.F

Impressive, indeed.

I am not sure all words have to be discarded as non Uralic.

For example njarra "cape" related to the word "nose"

Some words starting with sk- look PIE.

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One is uffir "heap of rocks or rocky slope near the seashore" which I
like since it's one of my favorite Wanderwörter, if related to Germ.
Ufer, Du. oever "river bank", cf
http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Op.html
http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Opr.html
This is borrowed later than Proto-Saami, which means the Saami met it
in their expansion into their present homes, ie. into Scandinavia. So
this wanderword had arrived there already then.
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A.F

What is wrong with Kluge's analysis of Ufer ?

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Torsten