Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

From: michelmrvn
Message: 49928
Date: 2007-09-17

--- In, OctaviĆ  Alexandre <oalexandre@...>
> --- In, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@>
> wrote:
> >
> > The idea that Indo-Europeans might have come from Anatolia
> > is as old as the word "indo-european" itself.
> > and the link between Anatolia and Agriculture is old as well
> >
> > Renfrew said nothing new
> > He said something forgotten for 150 years.
> >
> I think Renfrew's was right in stating the spreading of agriculture
> through Europe was linked to the spreading of languages, but wrong
> that languages were IE. He overlooks too much linguistic data for
> theory to fit in what we know about IE. Nor he even considered other
> non-IE languages as candidates.
> The American linguist Johanna Nichols has made a lot of research
> North-East Caucasian (NEC) languages. She has reconstructed
> of Starostin and Nikolaiev, who made their own in 1994: North
> Etymological Dictionary) the basic proto-lexicon of this family,
> shows it was an agricultural society. Hurrian and Urartian (grouped
> toghether as Hurro-Urartian), once spoken in Anatolian have been
> to be related to the NEC family (Diakonov & Starostin: Hurro-
Urartian as
> an Eastern Caucasian language, 1986).
> Other works link Etruscan (alongside with languages such as Raethic,
> Lemnian, Eteo-Cretan, Eteo-Cypriot and pre-IE Greek) with NEC and
> Hurro-Urartian. So the chances are all these languages descent from
> ones spoken by the first agricultors of the Neolithic. The Italian
> amateur Marco Moretti has even made a reconstruction of Proto-
> lexicon which shows it was a (somewhat distant) relative of Proto-
> The so-called Vasco-Caucasian hypothesis puts the common ancestor of
> Proto-Vasconic and Proto-NEC (and, in the Macro-Caucasian variant,
> of Burushaski and North-West Caucasian) in the early Neolithic or
> Mesolithic, making it a good candidate for the agricultural
> theory. In this, Vasconic (comprising Basque-Aquitanian, Iberian and
> other extinct languages spoken in Sardinia and the Alps) would be
one of
> the earliest Vasco-Caucasian branches, possibly associated with the
> spread of Cardial Ceramics.
> But other Vasco-Caucasian branches have also existed as well, even
> the same Iberian peninsula. Possibly other substrata like the Nord-
> Block or the pre-IE Germanic would fall in this. And I'm convinced
> *akWa/apa isn't IE but Vasco-Caucasian.
> I also recommend you to forget Vennemann. He seems more a TV-
> than a linguist (I think it has something to do with German
> tradition). The only thing I would spare is his "Atlantidic", a
> Afro-Asiatic substrate language akin to Berber (but not to
> probably linked to the spread of megalithism along the Atlantic

And I also recommend you to forget Marco Moretti and his pseudo vasco-
caucasic crazy reconstructions.