Re: RE : [tied] Re: North of the Somme

--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

> Dear Gentlemen,
>
> I am afraid you are rejoicing a little bit too
> early.
>
> Kuhn's maps are interesting
> BUT
> 1. the coast-line was lying more to the south in old
> days

****GK: Find the map then make the point. How much
"more to the south"?****

> 2. Kuhn has overlooked data :
> Instances of Condat and -ialos exist in higher
> numbers
> in the area where they allegedly "should not",
> 3. Kuhn's Celtic markers are not the only Celtic
> markers available.
> The area is just covered with Celtic markers, not
> taken into account by Kuhn.

****GK: As stated, this, even if true (we don't know
that it is), makes no difference at all to Caesar's
point.****

>
> Henceforth,
>
> 1. I must tell you that I feel undaunted
>
> 2. I am afraid that after we have filled up the
> holes in Kuhn's maps
> and put the coast-line in the right place,
> there is a clear risk that non-Celtic areas will be
> squeezed out.

****GK: Both premature and irrelevant.****

>
> Next,
>
> I would like to ask Two questions about methodology
> :
> Q1 :
> Once place-names of Latin, Flemish, Frankish, Saxon
> are taken out of account,
> how much Celtic percentage is necessary to consider
> an area as Celtic ?

****GK: Caesar accepted the prior Celtic status of all
areas occupied by non-Celts in Belgica in 57 BC****

> Q2 :
> How can a "Belgian" word be identified as being
> Belgian ?

****GK: That's a fair question. If we assume that the
non-Celtic Belgians were "Germanic" we could look in
that direction. Perhaps Torsten can help with other
Kuhn maps.****

>
> I have never seen an invading population leaving no
> clear traces of its presence.

****GK: It happens though. E.g. the Cimmerians in
Ukraine or Turkey. The Pechenegs in various places.
But this too is worth pursuing. Again I leave it to
Torsten to identify traces of Caesar's non-Celtic
Belgians.****

BTW cf. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerviens
Once there, also click on "Menapiens" and "Eburons"
(eventually also on "Morins"), with proposed Germanic
etymologies. I mention all this just to note that not
all French data agree with Arnaud.






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