Re: [tied] Re: Northwest *kVl-

The reconstruction *ke:le is bad.
The initial must be *ki- to explain samoyed sie,
other vowels would maintain #k.
Then the end is -l#
And in between, you need some extra syllable,
such as a weak glottal stop plus a vowel.

So we can try :
*ki?il > should be kiil (bad)
*ki?ol > should be ky�l or k�yl (bad)
*ki?ul > should be kyyl (bad)
*ki?al > should be kiلl or kiel (ok)

Finnish must be good Uralic.

No problem at all.

----- Original Message -----
From: "michelmrvn" <michelmrvn@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Northwest *kVl-


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Peter P" <roskis@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > > Hلkkinen contends that Finnish 'kieli' is of FU origin
<*ke:le.
> > >
> > > Estonian keel
> > > Nor. Lap giella'
> > > Mordvin kel'
> > > Votyak kyl
> > > Ostyak ket
> > > Yurak-Samoyedic s'ie
> > >
> >
> > So either some Uralic language is a substrate of NWBlock or I'd
have
> > to give up the claim.
> > 1) My Estonian - Danish dictionary says for keel,-e "language,
tongue;
> > string"; are both those senses included for the members of the set
> > you mention, or are there more wordsets involved?
>
> They all mean tongue/language except 'ket' - word.
>
> > 2) Is there a similar claim for Estonian kael,-a "neck"?
> >
>
> Estonian kael, and Finnish kaula - neck, are of Baltic origin.
>
> Lith. kaklas
> Latv. kalks
>
> >
> > Torsten
> >
>
> Peter P
>


> Altaic kele, mongolian xele, basque ele "language".

> Michel M.




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