Re: [tied] PIE > sea (was: Re: sea, seal)

It is impossible that KArtvelian zaGHwa could be from *saHwo

Because KArtvelian consonants are stable.

*saHwo could have been borrowed into *saHvo, never zaGHwa.

zaGHwa is the ground form.

Look at this message

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/43771

I think the idea that *sajwa is borrowed from pre-i.e speakers in Scandinavia is right.

they had a word cognate with KArtvelian *saghwa

and it was rendered in Germanic as *sajwa because I.E has no *z.

A by-product of this idea is that Scandinavia couldn't be the original place for GErmanic people.

They have to come from another place.

----- Original Message -----

From: stlatos

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Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:05 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] PIE > sea (was: Re: sea, seal)

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Note that the Germanic word *sajwa "sea"
> has exactly the same phonetic structure as the Kartvelian word
*zaghwa "sea, lake"
> with -gh- being a voiced velar spirant.
> So I suppose that the word *sajwa was borrowed from some *zaghwa or
zajwa
> with gh > j.

I think you're looking at the problem backwards. In Celtic the
ocean was from PIE *ver-x-gwyos < *barxag+wa+y+ s '(on the) swelling
(water)' with the adj.*ver-x-gwo+ s 'swelling' given *y 'as a place,
on, in, etc.'. Then *ver-x-gwyos > *wergwiyos > /wergiwyos/ with
metathesis to change the difficult cluster.

Knowing such an odd *Cwy can exist, the PIE *sax+ 'fill up, satiate'
can be used: *sax-wo+ 'filling up, full (of water)' >> *sax-wyo+s
'(on the) full lake' (vs. dried up, etc.).

In Germanic the strong stem *sax-wyos > *sax-i-wos but the weak stem
*sax-wi+ remained. They mixed together > *sax-i-wis > *sai-wiz.

So the Kartvelian word *zaGwa < *saxw(y)os if borrowed.