[tied] Re: Latin is a q-Dialect having p- from kW , PIE is simil

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:

> > 2. perkW- 'name of a tree' ->*perkWunyo > Proto-Celtic *perkunia:
> > (attested Hercynia (Caesar), loaned with initial p- in Gothic
> > fairguni 'mountain') <-> and on the other hand: Q-Italic *kWerkWus
> > (Latin quercus 'oak') => so you can see as me that there is no common
> > p...kW > kW ...kW
> >
> >
> > Because :
> >
> > EITHER
> >
> > 1. the delabialisation in Proto-Celtic *perkWus (-> *perkWunia:)
> > happened BEFORE p..kW>kW...kW in Proto-Celtic
> > but
> > 2. the delabialisation kW/u > ku in Proto-Italic *perkWus (Latin
> > quercus) happened AFTER the p..kW > kW..kW in Proto-Italic
>
> > (The point was raised by Watkins 1966)
>
> Dialects that have the same rules but in different order, or nearly
> the same rules but with dif. sets of exceptions, etc., are perfectly
> common.

Besides, *perk(W)-u- is an ablauting type of noun, with forms such as
*perkW-ew-es (no delabialisation). The delabialisation of *kW before
*u is probably a common IE phenomenon (and of course Lat. has
<quercus>, not *querquus), but the *kW may have been levelled out from
the oblique forms. The name of Hercynia probably reflects something
like *perku-h3n-ih2 (if it's a Hoffmann compound), and at any rate its
delabialised *k doesn't alternate with *kW, so an initial *kW could
not be introduced as in the dendronym. Note that the Celtiberian
tribal name Querquetani _has_ initial /kW/ as expected!