From: Octavià Alexandre
Message: 48372
Date: 2007-04-25
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote: >
Quoted from V.I. Georgiev, Introduction to the History of the Indo-European Languages (Sofia, 1981), p. 351:
> ****GK: There are two rivers named "Ibr" in Ukraine
> (one just west of Kyiv, another near the r.Seret), one
> (Ibr') in Bulgaria, an "Ibar" r. in Serbia. The
> Bulgarian river was known in 6th c. Greek as "'ebros"
> (later transcribed as "Hebrus" or "Ebrus" in Latin).
> According to Rozwadowski, the contemporary Slavic
> "Ibr" river names go back to a Thracian *Jebr(os),
> according to Dechev rather to *Eibrus. The semantics
> (says Georgiev) supposedly go back to a PIE *eibrho-s
> (= "squirter") and originally designated "river
> sources". Rozwadowski also mentions a little stream
> called "Ibra" in Germany (near Fulda)*****
>
â'EβÏÐ¾Ï (Hdt., etc.), Hebrus, Ebrus, now called Marica. There is also a â'EβÏÐ¾Ï River in Illyria. â'EβÏÐ¾Ï is preserved today in the name of the upper course, Ibar, and in the name of the village situated not far from the middle course od the Marica, Po-ibr-ene, litterally 'those living along the river Ib(a)r.' The earliest recorded form of the name of the Thracian river is EΰÏÐ¾Ï (Alcman, 7th-6th century B.C.). IE wr shifted in Thracian into br (or vr), cf. Thrac. βÏία 'town' from IE *wri(y)a. Thus Thrac. EΰÏÐ¾Ï = â'EβÏÐ¾Ï can be derived from IE *ewru-s = Gr. εΰÏÏÏ 'wide'.