[tied] Re: Ebre = spanish river = celtiberic roots ?

From: Octavià Alexandre
Message: 48372
Date: 2007-04-25

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
> ****GK: There are two rivers named "Ibr" in Ukraine
> (one just west of Kyiv, another near the r.Seret), one
> (Ibr') in Bulgaria, an "Ibar" r. in Serbia. The
> Bulgarian river was known in 6th c. Greek as "'ebros"
> (later transcribed as "Hebrus" or "Ebrus" in Latin).
> According to Rozwadowski, the contemporary Slavic
> "Ibr" river names go back to a Thracian *Jebr(os),
> according to Dechev rather to *Eibrus. The semantics
> (says Georgiev) supposedly go back to a PIE *eibrho-s
> (= "squirter") and originally designated "river
> sources". Rozwadowski also mentions a little stream
> called "Ibra" in Germany (near Fulda)*****
>
Quoted from V.I. Georgiev, Introduction to the History of  the Indo-European Languages (Sofia, 1981), p. 351:

‛'Eβρоς  (Hdt., etc.), Hebrus, Ebrus, now called Marica. There is also a ‛'Eβρоς  River in Illyria. ‛'Eβρоς  is preserved today in the name of the upper course, Ibar, and in the name of the village situated not far from the middle course od the Marica, Po-ibr-ene, litterally 'those living along the river Ib(a)r.' The earliest recorded form of the name of the Thracian river is  Eΰρоς  (Alcman, 7th-6th century B.C.). IE wr shifted in Thracian into br (or vr), cf. Thrac. βρία 'town' from IE *wri(y)a. Thus Thrac. Eΰρоς = ‛'Eβρоς  can be derived from IE *ewru-s = Gr. εΰρύς 'wide'.