From: tgpedersen
Message: 48369
Date: 2007-04-25
>That was my cue, I believe:
>
> --- Octavià Alexandre <oalexandre@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> > <gabaroo6958@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you elaborate on why not?
> > >
> > Generally speaking, a word attested only on a few IE
> > branches and with a
> > limited geographical spread is a candidate for being
> > a substrate word.
>
> ****GK: There are two rivers named "Ibr" in Ukraine
> (one just west of Kyiv, another near the r.Seret), one
> (Ibr') in Bulgaria, an "Ibar" r. in Serbia. The
> Bulgarian river was known in 6th c. Greek as "'ebros"
> (later transcribed as "Hebrus" or "Ebrus" in Latin).
> According to Rozwadowski, the contemporary Slavic
> "Ibr" river names go back to a Thracian *Jebr(os),
> according to Dechev rather to *Eibrus. The semantics
> (says Georgiev) supposedly go back to a PIE *eibrho-s
> (= "squirter") and originally designated "river
> sources". Rozwadowski also mentions a little stream
> called "Ibra" in Germany (near Fulda)*****
> >