Re: [tied] Syllabic (was: Etymology of Rome - h1rh1-em-/h1rh1-o:m-)

From: Sean Whalen
Message: 47904
Date: 2007-03-16

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> On 2007-03-16 13:02, Sean Whalen wrote:

> > Greek *géra:n is from an analogical nom. <
> géran-.
>
> There is no Gk. *géra:n. The word is geré:n (or
> gére:n) < *gerh2-e:n,
> the fem. counterpart of masc. géranos < *ger&2-n-o-.

Sorry, I wasn't thinking about the order of a: > e:
when I wrote that so this:

géranos ... gérana: ... khó:ra:
géranos ... gerána: ... khó:ra:
géranos ... geránæ: ... khó:ræ:
géranos ... geránæ: ... khó:ra:
géranos ... geræ:'n ... khó:ra:
géranos ... geré:n .... khó:ra:

would work, with geré:n optionally changing to the
(now possible) accent of géranos. The
switch-and-replace would be analogy with -an- in stem
but nom. in long V+n (or maybe ana with something
specific like *mæ:tæ:r). Also, since I've tried
saying these words, maybe it's regular to avoid a
difficult series of vowels.

> > After a "laryngeal" becomes -syllabic between C's
> the
> > clusters are sometimes "fixed" (differently in
> Baltic
> > and Slavic). At this time Slavic inserts "a"
> exactly
> > in the same places it inserted "u" in the past.
> >
> > kabxLó+ ... ger-x-w+
> > kabuxLó+ .. ger-x-w+
> > kabuxLó+ .. gerxw+
> > kabuxLó+ .. geraxw+
>
> Any other cases where such a cluster is "fixed" in
> this way? We have
> *pr.h3wo- > *pirh3wa- > *pIrvU and other such words
> without any fixing.

That had already become * pYr,:mo+ before this
insertion. Also, it's probably only inserted when x
is between non-syl. C's.

There are many different changes made after a
"laryngeal" becomes -syllabic between C's. I don't
know of any other insertion or a cluster exactly like
this.

Baltic:

gYh(e)l-xW-wo+ 'green, yellow'
peL-x-wo+ 'grey'
peL-x-ko+ 'greyish, darkish' or 'mouse'

gYhel-xW-wos peL-x-ka:x
gWhel-xW-wos (assimilation)
gWhel-xWwos peL-xka:
gWhel-xWwos peL-xa:
gWhel-swos
gWel-swos
gYel-swos
gYel-swas
gYel-svas

gelsvas Lith. pele:

Slavic:

'castrated (horse)'
'crane'
'bend, elbow' ( > 'cheek' lan-ita)?

kab-xLó+ .... ger-x-w+ .. xWolk-xY-n.o+
kab-xLó+ .... ger-x-w+ .. xWolk-x-n.yo+
kab-uxLó+ ... ger-x-w+ .. xWolk-x-n.yo+
ka-bux-Ló+ .. ger-x-w+ .. xWolk-x-n.yo+
ka-bux-Ló+ .. ger-xw+ ... xWolkx-n.yo+
ka-bux-Ló+ .. ge-rax-w+ . xWolkx-n.yo+
ka-bux-Ló+ .. ge-rax-w+ . xWolx-n.yo+
ka-bux-Ló+ .. ge-rax-w+ . xWo:l-n.yo+
ka-bu:-Ló+ .. ge-ra:-w+ . xWo:l-n.yo+

dhugYh-x-te:r
dugYh-x-te:r
dugYhx-te:r
dughx-te:r
dugh-te:r
duk-te:r





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