[tied] Re: Pretonic laryngeals in roots

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2007-03-16 00:54, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> >> Then if Olsen is right (as I think she is) about the
> >> "preaspirating" effect of *h2 and *h1, they belong to the same
> >> natural class (presumably of fricatives, since *h2 was quite
> >> clearly a fricative).
> >
> > Examples?
>
> *-tl/rom, *-tl/rah2 > *-tHl/rom, *-tHl/rah2 after consonantal *h2
> and *h1, e.g. *páh2-tHlom > Lat. pa:bulum, *sjuh1-tHláh2 > Lat.
> su:bula, but *póh3-tlom > Lat. po:culum. Then Lat. -idus < *-etHo- <
> *-e-h1- + -to-, Gk. ple^:tHos, ple:tHú:s, lat. ple:bs <
> *pleh1-tH(u/w)-. Then cases like Skt. ti:rtHa- 'passage', Lith.
> ti`ltas 'bridge' < *tl.h2-tHo-.

I don't get it. The supposed preaspiration caused by h1 and h2 results
in voicing?? Can it be explained succinctly, or should I reread
Birgit's book? As for Lat. -idus, I think the dental of the ppp suffix
originally was a -dh-, somehow related to *dhe:- "put", with
allophones -d- and -t- depending on the environment, and the -t- was
generalized.


Torsten