Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome - h1romh-eh2 again

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> <miguelc@> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:24:55 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
> > >BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of the
> > >syllable structures too, 'in the same time' with the

compensatory

> > >lengthening.
> > > so *h1rom-heh2 > [h>zero] > ro:-ma: is the logical output.
> >
> > No, it's impossible. Compensatory lengthening can only
> > apply at a syllable coda (as in your example *kWers.rah2 >
> > *kWe:.ra:). A putative *h1rom.Hah2 would just go to *roma:
> > (with short /o/). After the loss of the laryngeals, the
> > syllabification of course becomes /ro.ma:/.
> >
>
>
> Well Miguel, I was 'ALREADY READY' TO TRUST YOU...
>
> I MEAN 'ALREADY READY' (Romanian 'eram gata sa te cred')....BUT BUT
> YOU ARE WRONG:
>
> Example:
>
> --------------------------------------------
> *od.wos > Grk. o:.dos (East Ionic) 'house'
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> the [w] deletes in [od.wos] leaving the following syllable without

an

> onset thus: [od.os]
> Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The Onset
> Principle),
> the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of the
> second [o.dos]
> Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding vowel to
> spread into, resulting in theoutput form [o:.dos]
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Now we can try 'together' for 'Rome'
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> the [h] deletes in [h1rom.hah2] leaving the following syllable

without

> an onset thus: [rom.a:]
> Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The Onset
> Principle),
> the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of the
> second.[ro.ma:]
> Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding vowel to
> spread into, resulting in the output form [ro:.ma:]
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> So your "Compensatory lengthening can only apply at a syllable

coda"

> is a False statement....
>
> And my initial assumption:
>
> "BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of the
> syllable structures too" is True.
>
> Marius
>
>
> Bibliography:
> -------------
> http://www.unc.edu/~gerfen/Ling60Sp2002/syllable_handout.pdf.
>

Sorry please read :

> the [h] deletes in [h1rom.hah2]