Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome - h1romh-eh2 again

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> > <miguelc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:24:55 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
> > > >BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of the
> > > >syllable structures too, 'in the same time' with the
> compensatory
> > > >lengthening.
> > > > so *h1rom-heh2 > [h>zero] > ro:-ma: is the logical output.
> > >
> > > No, it's impossible. Compensatory lengthening can only
> > > apply at a syllable coda (as in your example *kWers.rah2 >
> > > *kWe:.ra:). A putative *h1rom.Hah2 would just go to *roma:
> > > (with short /o/). After the loss of the laryngeals, the
> > > syllabification of course becomes /ro.ma:/.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Well Miguel, I was 'ALREADY READY' TO TRUST YOU...
> >
> > I MEAN 'ALREADY READY' (Romanian 'eram gata sa te cred')....BUT

BUT

> > YOU ARE WRONG:
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > *od.wos > Grk. o:.dos (East Ionic) 'house'
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > the [w] deletes in [od.wos] leaving the following syllable

without

> an
> > onset thus: [od.os]
> > Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The Onset
> > Principle),
> > the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of the
> > second [o.dos]
> > Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding vowel

to

> > spread into, resulting in theoutput form [o:.dos]
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Now we can try 'together' for 'Rome'
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > the [h] deletes in [h1rom.hah2] leaving the following syllable
> without
> > an onset thus: [rom.a:]
> > Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The Onset
> > Principle),
> > the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of the
> > second.[ro.ma:]
> > Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding vowel

to

> > spread into, resulting in the output form [ro:.ma:]
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > So your "Compensatory lengthening can only apply at a syllable
> coda"
> > is a False statement....
> >
> > And my initial assumption:
> >
> > "BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of the
> > syllable structures too" is True.
> >
> > Marius
> >
> >
> > Bibliography:
> > -------------
> > http://www.unc.edu/~gerfen/Ling60Sp2002/syllable_handout.pdf.
> >
>
> Sorry please read :
> > the [h] deletes in [h1rom.hah2]
>

So "here' the rub...", Miguel, a combination between the 'ONSET
PRINCIPLE' and 'the fact that the first syllable tries to preserve
its bimoraic structure'...

"What's the ONSET PRINCIPLE:
Basically, the onset principle is this: if you have a VCV string,
it will syllabify as V.CV and *NOT* VC.V, because syllables like to
have onsets.

Some languages, like Karok, take this generalization to the limit by
forcing all syllables to have onsets, even if this means adding
glottal stop in some cases and deleting vowels in others.
So, Karok adheres very strictly to the onset principle."


Marius

P.S. : Also Beekes is right: there is a h in h1remh-