Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome - h1romh-eh2 again

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 47766
Date: 2007-03-10

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
<miguelc@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:24:55 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
> >BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of the
> >syllable structures too, 'in the same time' with the compensatory
> >lengthening.
> > so *h1rom-heh2 > [h>zero] > ro:-ma: is the logical output.
>
> No, it's impossible. Compensatory lengthening can only
> apply at a syllable coda (as in your example *kWers.rah2 >
> *kWe:.ra:). A putative *h1rom.Hah2 would just go to *roma:
> (with short /o/). After the loss of the laryngeals, the
> syllabification of course becomes /ro.ma:/.
>


Well Miguel, I was 'ALREADY READY' TO TRUST YOU...

I MEAN 'ALREADY READY' (Romanian 'eram gata sa te cred')....BUT BUT
YOU ARE WRONG:

Example:

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*od.wos > Grk. o:.dos (East Ionic) 'house'
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the [w] deletes in [od.wos] leaving the following syllable without an
onset thus: [od.os]
Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The Onset
Principle),
the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of the
second [o.dos]
Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding vowel to
spread into, resulting in theoutput form [o:.dos]
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Now we can try for 'together' for 'Rome'
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the [h] deletes in [h1rom.ah2] leaving the following syllable without
an onset thus: [rom.a:]
Next, under the assumption that syllables want onsets(The Onset
Principle),
the coda of the first syllable resyllabifies as the onset of the
second.[ro.ma:]
Once it does this, it frees up its mora for the preceding vowel to
spread into, resulting in the output form [ro:.ma:]
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So your "Compensatory lengthening can only apply at a syllable coda"
is a False statement....

And my initial assumption:

"BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of the
syllable structures too" is True.

Marius


Bibliography:
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http://www.unc.edu/~gerfen/Ling60Sp2002/syllable_handout.pdf.