Re: Res: [tied] Etymology of Rome

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:24:55 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
<alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
><miguelc@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:25:33 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
>> <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
>>
>> >1. the laryngeal-h was lost in *h1romh-
>> >
>> >2. As result, 'I expect' the compensatory lengthening of the short-
>o :
>> >*h1romh-eh2 > *ro:m-a:
>>
>> No, that doesn't happen. The syllable structure would be
>> *h1rom.Hah2, and the laryngeal would have been lost without
>> a trace.
>
>'At-the-beginning' I agree it was *h1rom-heh2
>
>BUT next the lost of the laryngeal trigerred the change of the
>syllable structures too, 'in the same time' with the compensatory
>lengthening.
> so *h1rom-heh2 > [h>zero] > ro:-ma: is the logical output.

No, it's impossible. Compensatory lengthening can only
apply at a syllable coda (as in your example *kWers.rah2 >
*kWe:.ra:). A putative *h1rom.Hah2 would just go to *roma:
(with short /o/). After the loss of the laryngeals, the
syllabification of course becomes /ro.ma:/.

>> >4. The presence of h after m, in *h1remh-, is indicated, as I
>said, by
>> >the Lithuanian form (Lith. r'imti)
>>
>> rìmti (1sg. rìmstu) is a zero grade form (< *rm.-sk^é- or
>> *rm.H-ské-) and is inconclusive about the presence or not of
>> a laryngeal. The full grade form, rem~ti, on the other hand,
>> clearly indicates there was _no_ laryngeal. This is
>> confirmed by LIV, which gives the verbal root as *h1rem-
>> "ruhig werden". The only forms which _might_ point to a
>> set.-root (laryngeally ended) are the na:-presents in
>> Sanskrit and Tocharian, but they are secondary (thus LIV).
>
>BEEKES reconstructs *h1remH- see below : I fully quote him:
>
><< Origin (see intro): IEX [864] *h1remH- `rest, be quiet' >>
>[...]
><< Lith. rìmti `be quiet' (with laryngeal) >>
>
>Could you guess why?

He's wrong. rem~ti clearly indicates the lack of a
laryngeal. rìmti in no way implies a laryngeal (cf. *bher-
bìrti, *der- dìrti/dùrti).


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