Re: [tied] Re: PIE i- and u-stems again

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:11:29 -0000, "tgpedersen"
<tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
>> /o/ was a long vowel at the time ([o:]), and wouldn't have
>> been reduced.
>>
>> >> NA *g^á:n-un > *g^ónur
>> >> G *g^a:n-ún-a:s > *g^en&wós > *g^énwos
>> >> or, with early stress-shift:
>> >> G > *g^enw&nós > *g^énunos
>> >> L *g^a:n-ún-a > *g^enéw-i > *g^énui
>> >> I *g^a:n-un-éh1 > *g^enunéh1 > *g^énuneh1
>> >> du.
>> >> NA *g^á:n-un-ih1 > *g^ónunih1 (cf. Skt. januni:, Toch.B
>> >> keni:ne)
>> >
>> >Is this *-ur/*-un heteroclitic matched with similar *-ir/*-in and
>> >*-ar/*-an heteroclitics?
>>
>> Sure. The *-[C]ar/*-[C]an heteroclitics are the normal
>> -r/-n heteroclitics [after zero grade]. The *-[C]ir/*-[C]in
>> heteroclitics are the i/n-stems of Sanskrit (áks.i, aks.nás
>> "eye", ásthi, asthnás "bone", dádhi, dadhnás "curds",
>> sákthi, sakthná: "thigh"). *potis (Toch. petso reflects the
>> old nominative *pótyo:n) is probably a non-neuter member of
>> this same group.
>>
>> >If so, is the *-r/*-n part detachable from the stem in *-u, *-i and
>*-a?
>>
>> No. *-un- is a suffix. Suffixes are (C)VC(C).
>
>
>How do you distinguish your *-un, *-in, *-an stems from traditional
>n-stems?

If the suffix had the shape *-CVn, there is usually no way
to tell, because **a, **i and **u all merge to *é/0. The
results are (1) n-stems [non-neuters] or (2)
r/n-heteroclitics [neuters, except those in *-mn, which give
neuter n-stems]. In theory, stressed *-Cún- [PD oblique, HD
non-oblique] should have given variation n ~ w (as does
stressed *-Cút- in *meh1no:ts, *meh1nésos for t ~ s), but
I'm not aware of any unlevelled examples.

If the suffix was *-in, we get i/n-stems in Sanskrit (n.
asthi etc., m. pati / f. patni:). If the suffix was *-un,
we get r/u/n-neuters (*g^onu(r), etc.) [non-neuters would
give something like PD N. *'-wo:n, A. *'-wonm. G. *-éwos; AD
N. *'-wo:n, A. *-um, G. *-wós; HD N. *-é:us, A. *-ewm., G.
*-unés, which do not seem to correspond closely to anything
attested].

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