Re: Toponyms with & their Rum./Slov. equivalents

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 46784
Date: 2006-12-26

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, g <st-george@...> wrote:
>
> [courier new 10 p.]
>
> (Arany- in the following names always "golden, of gold"; Aranyos-
> always "golden, of gold, gilded" as well as "placed by the river
> Aranyos/Arie$")
> merry Christmas
> a happy New Year
> George
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My view about Rom suffix –esh and Albanian –esh is that it was
derived from –enses, plural form of different ethnic names (cf.
Narbon-enses, Olbon-enses etc.), with regular outcome of –ns- > -s-
in Proto-Albanian/Dacian, so place names in Romania, like Arg-esh,
Ari-esh, Mamur-esh denote inhabitants of the Ari-, Arg-, Mamur-, as
well as place names in Albania and Dardania, like Arbn-esh, Kurvel-
esh, Makr-esh, Martan-esh, Pad-esh, Part-esh, simply denote
inhabitants of such places. This suffix is also attested in river
name Vel-esh and in oronym Pinjesh.
Regarding the time of attestation there are many arguments that
Albnian were present, especially in the city of Ragusa, (Alb
Rusha `place of grapes', due to VDV= V) in the 12th and 13th
centuries:

Exactly from Jirecek (1904) we have:"Audivi unam vocem clamantem in
monte in lingua albanesca. Dated in one document in 1285 in Ragusa
(Dubrovnik).

In Anonymi Descriptio Europae Orientalis: "Habent enim Albani
prefati linguam distinctam a Latinis, Grecis et Sclavis ita qud in
nullo se intellegunt cum aliis nationibus" in 1308.

Brocardus monacus in 1332 wrote: "Licet Albanenses aliam omnino
linguam a latino habeant et diversam, tamen litteram latinam habent
in uso et in omnibus suis libris".

As we have discussed in Cybalist, Albanian word katunari `villagers'
is as well mentioned in Libellus Gothorum from the middle of 12th
century, also in Ragusa.

So, possibility that Ari-esh could be of Proto-Albanian/Dacian is
not to be ignored, even, I guess that Ar- as first member of the
compound in Ar-gyr-untum, may have different semantic, like `field'
(cf. Podrimja `the valley under the river Drim/Drin').

Konushevci

Merry Christmas and happy New Year