Re: [tied] Re: Archaeology of the Horse

--- mkelkar2003 <swatimkelkar@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:

> > >
> > > The postulated expansion of IE associated with
> the
> > > spread of Corded Ware cultures to northern and
> > > central
> > > Europe in the 4th and 3rd millennium BC from a
> > > Ponto-Caspian heartland does not depend on the
> > > classical "kurgan" theory, and does not require
> the
> > > existence of nomadism or even the presence of
> > > cavalry
> > > as a preponderant military element for its
> > > justification.
>
> What does it depend on then?

*****GK: On the decision to move into a coveted
territory associated to the conviction or hope that
one has sufficient strength to make this possible.
There are many known instances in Europe itself
(independent of the original postulated IE push) where
such movements succeeded for reasons other than
massive cavalry assaults such as were imagined in the
classical "kurgan" theory. For instance: the Germanic
drang of 300 BC -->, the Slavic invasions, etc
etc.*****

> Much
> > > of
> > > this has already been discussed here at various
> > > times.
>
> "Discussesd" does not mean all the objections have
> been answered.

*****GK: Have a look at these discussions and state
which objections remain unanswered.*****

>
> > > Must one begin anew every few months? How many
> times
> > > is it necessary to repeat that it is Corded Ware
> > > (originating in the Serednyj Stih/Sredny Stog
> > > culture
> > > prior to the latter's evolution into Yamna)
> which
> > > assimilated Trypilia and Globular Amphorae, and
> not
> > > the other way around?
>
> You lost me there. What does corded ware have to do
> with supposed
> exapnsion/invasion of the IE speakers. You may have
> read the
> citation about Yamnaya not having any evidence of
> long distance
> migrations or nomadism.

*****GK: Serednyj Stih (ca. 4200-3500 BC) was
antecedent to Yamna, and was ancestral to the latter
as well as to other "Corded Ware" cultures. It was a
pastoral (though not exclusively so) culture, not a
classical "nomadic" culture. The spread of "Corded
Ware" to northern and central Europe preceded the
emergence of Yamna. "Corded Ware" had infiltrated
Trypilia (from its Serednyj Stih base) and was already
present as far west as the current Polish-Ukrainian
border even before the disappearance of Funnel Beaker.
Globular Amphorae bypassed this initial CW presence as
it marched eastward against the Trypilians. Within a
few hundred years everything in this large area became
"Corded Ware". Yamna (ca. 3500-2800 BC) was a late
eastern variant of "Corded Ware".******






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