Re: [tied] Another PIE origin theory

From: Petr Hrubis
Message: 46111
Date: 2006-09-19

cf. also Etruscan /Tevru/

----- Original Message ----
From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 18 September, 2006 10:42:12 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Another PIE origin theory


This influence of Semitic in IE is still hard to
understand, although usually well accepted. What
branch of Semitic?

One of the putative loanwords would be PIE *(s)tauros
(*tH2euros) ~ Semitic Taur.
Western Semitic shows and Akkadian s^ < T, Aramaic and
Arabic shows T (th). So, *T>t could come from some
Proto=Aramaic-like langauge?

Joao SL

--- "C. Darwin Goranson" <cdog_squirrel@...>
escreveu:

> This may all be for the rubbish bin, but since I'm
> not the best
> judge of this, I'll share the idea.
>
> Thousands of years, maybe 2 thousand or 3, before
> PIE as we know it
> existed, its ancestor lived in eastern Anatolia.
> This ancestor may
> also have been the ancestor of Minoan (judging by
> what can be
> deduced from the grammar of Linear A) and of
> Etruscan, as well as
> Pelasgian if it is not Indo-European. There is a
> chance that it was
> also related distantly to Kartvelian, however this
> might just be due
> to borrowings between the two in a Sprachbunde.
>
> Then, the Semites arrived. They were around long
> enough that a few
> Semitic words got into this language, but the
> speakers of the
> language soon went seperate ways. The Minoans and
> Etruscans went
> east (and the Pelasgians?) while another group went
> north over the
> Caucasus mountains.
>
> After this, the group that went north met with and
> joined part of an
> Uralic culture. After this, everything goes as usual
> with the Kugan
> ideas.
>
> Myself, I can't say I'm completely comfortable with
> the idea.
> However, I don't want my emotions to have too much
> of a basis in
> judging it. What do you think?
>
> I prefer to think of PIE as closer to Uralic... just
> with an
> adstratum from some pseudo-Caucasian tongue. It's
> just that there
> are some discomforting similarities to some Semitic
> traditions.
>
> The only other thought I can give with ease is that
> some of the stuf
> we ascribe to PIE is actually not Indo-European, but
> just widely
> diffused borrowings. Speaking of which, how can one
> tell those apart?
>
>
>
>
>




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