From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 46114
Date: 2006-09-19
> cf. also Etruscan /Tevru/_______________________________________________________
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 18 September, 2006 10:42:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Another PIE origin theory
>
>
> This influence of Semitic in IE is still hard to
> understand, although usually well accepted. What
> branch of Semitic?
>
> One of the putative loanwords would be PIE
> *(s)tauros
> (*tH2euros) ~ Semitic Taur.
> Western Semitic shows and Akkadian s^ < T, Aramaic
> and
> Arabic shows T (th). So, *T>t could come from some
> Proto=Aramaic-like langauge?
>
> Joao SL
>
> --- "C. Darwin Goranson" <cdog_squirrel@...>
> escreveu:
>
> > This may all be for the rubbish bin, but since I'm
> > not the best
> > judge of this, I'll share the idea.
> >
> > Thousands of years, maybe 2 thousand or 3, before
> > PIE as we know it
> > existed, its ancestor lived in eastern Anatolia.
> > This ancestor may
> > also have been the ancestor of Minoan (judging by
> > what can be
> > deduced from the grammar of Linear A) and of
> > Etruscan, as well as
> > Pelasgian if it is not Indo-European. There is a
> > chance that it was
> > also related distantly to Kartvelian, however this
> > might just be due
> > to borrowings between the two in a Sprachbunde.
> >
> > Then, the Semites arrived. They were around long
> > enough that a few
> > Semitic words got into this language, but the
> > speakers of the
> > language soon went seperate ways. The Minoans and
> > Etruscans went
> > east (and the Pelasgians?) while another group
> went
> > north over the
> > Caucasus mountains.
> >
> > After this, the group that went north met with and
> > joined part of an
> > Uralic culture. After this, everything goes as
> usual
> > with the Kugan
> > ideas.
> >
> > Myself, I can't say I'm completely comfortable
> with
> > the idea.
> > However, I don't want my emotions to have too much
> > of a basis in
> > judging it. What do you think?
> >
> > I prefer to think of PIE as closer to Uralic...
> just
> > with an
> > adstratum from some pseudo-Caucasian tongue. It's
> > just that there
> > are some discomforting similarities to some
> Semitic
> > traditions.
> >
> > The only other thought I can give with ease is
> that
> > some of the stuf
> > we ascribe to PIE is actually not Indo-European,
> but
> > just widely
> > diffused borrowings. Speaking of which, how can
> one
> > tell those apart?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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