Re: [tied] Hamp on Alb.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> On 7/6/06, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> >
> > On 2006-07-05 23:10, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
> >
> > > These are not strictly parallel to piscis (acc. piscem > VL

pesce),

> > > since they involve final -ix/-ex, -icem. To tell the truth, I

can't

> > > recall any obvious Latin loans in -scis in Albanian (what

could have

> > > they been, by the way? fascis and proboscis/promuscis seem to

be the

> > > only real possibilities beside piscis)...
> >
> > Talking of which, we have Alb. bashkë 'together' which seems to

be

> > cognate to <fascis> but obviously isn't a loan from Latin (cf.

Aromanian

> > bascã 'bundle', not to be confused with its Standard Rom.

homophone

> > meaning 'beret' <-- Fr. basque, according to DEX). This is most

likely

> > an old Wanderwort of the Balkan area (Gk. baskioi, a Maced. word

glossed

> > as 'bundles of dry sticks' = Lat. fasces).
> >
> > Piotr
> > ************
>
>
> Such etymology was first proposed by Meyer. But, if the basic root

is

> *basko-, I guess that it would yield in Albanian <bah-e>,

synonymic with

> <hob-e> 'slingshot, sling', but historical meaning is 'catapult',

made by a

> piece of leather ore something woven together and that was bind by

two bands on

> both side. <hobe> seems to be from the same root by doublet

inversion.

See Greek phaskolos 'leathersack'.



See also for this proposition Douglas Kilday on his reply about this

> word in sci.lang.
>
> For this reason I have proposed other etymology:

> 2. Probably suffixed zero-grade form *bhH2s-ko (of *bheH2- 'to

speak')>

> bashkë 'together', <bashkëshort> 'spouse, husband: second part of

compound

> is probably Lat. sors, -tis 'fate, destiny', so literally means to

have

> together same destiny', <bashk-i> 'municipality', <bashk-oj> 'to

unite, band

> together, connect' etc. (cf. Italian <bandire 'to muster, band

together'

> from Gmc *ban-wan, *bannan).
>
> Konushevci
>