Re: [tied] *rebh- or *H3rebh-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> Really, but *bh > Greek ph: *bhH-n-yo > phainein 'to shine', Alb.

<bënj> 'to

> do, to bring to light'; *bha-k'o > Greek phagos 'lentil', Alb.

<bathë>

> 'broad bean'; *bher- > Greek pherein, Alb. bie, Lat. ferre.
>
> Konushevci

Compare as well, besides *H3reH1g'-, *H3reH1d- 'to scrape, scratch,
gnaw'. 1. Alb. <brenj> 'to gnaw': Lat. ro:dere 'id.' from *H3reH3d-n-
yo, for -dn- -n- we have discussed as well in Cybalist.

>
> On 7/3/06, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> >
> > On 2006-07-03 17:04, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >
> > > *H3 is described phontecally as a rounded velar fricative

[XW], but

> > > I doubt as well that /b/ in <brinjë> as well as <v> in <vrap>

could

> > > as well be a prefix, but rounded character of *H3, followed by
> > > resonant leaves a space to doubt of their laryngeal origin.
> > > Nevertheless, I just started to treat words in *r-. It was

just an

> > > assumption. But, to not accept that Alb. <brinjë> that has so

much

> > > cognate in Germanic languages and in Slavic, is very strange.
> >
> > The 'rib' word has likely cognates in Greek -- the verb <erépto:>
> > 'cover, provide with a roof' (*h1rebH-je/o-) and its lexical

family. If

> > there ever was an initial laryngeal in this root, it was *h1

rather than

> > *h3. Initial /o/ is only found in "Rasmussen derivatives" with

the

> > O-fix, <óropHos, oropHé:> 'cover, roof' and must be due to Gk.

vowel

> > assimilation, as in <odoús> and <ónoma>. It's far from obvious

that the

> > Albanian word belongs to the same etymon at all. The pattern of
> > assimilation in the alleged "labial + *n" sequence is also

suspect,

> > given that *-pn- yields Alb. /m/, as in <gjumë> 'sleep'.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> >
>