Re: Albanian nose

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"

<alexandru_mg3@>

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > > <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> > <alexandru_mg3@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > > > > <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > *neu-ks- `to smell'. 1. Alb. <hundë> `nose'
> > > > > > Konushevci
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I prefer an etymology asserting that: <<'an Albanian nose'
> > is 'a
> > > > PIE
> > > > > nose'>>
> > > >
> > > > [AK]
> > > > And exactly this is one.
> > >
> > > [Marius] please to detail here the phonetic rules that you
> have
> > > applied for you derivation....you will see the issues.
> > >
> >
> > [AK]
> > I didn't read, for I didn't have Huld's "Basic Albanian
> Etymologies"
> > (if someone has it, please help us), but, according to Orel's
> > dictionary, I was not the only one that try ro derive Alb.

<hundë>

> > from PIE *neu-ks. I am not aware did he mentions dublets by
> > inversion, like this one, but this is common phenomenon in IE
> > languages: Greek Python and Typhon, mythical monsters, are both
> > derived from *dheubh-.
>
>
> So finally: could you derived here hundë rule-by-rule from PIE

*neu-

> ks? To can talk about issues....or not ?

[AK]
So, if we assume doublet by inversion, *ksun-ta:, then we have *ks >
Alb. /h/ (cf. Greek kse:nos and ALb. <i huej/huaj>) and -nt- cluster
that prevent the rhotacism.

>
>
> > > > > PIE *hneh2s- 'nose' > PIE *hn.h2s-ú-nt-o/eh2 >

PAlb/Dacian?

> > > > *asúnta:
> > > > > > (see gjuhë, vjehërr, kohë (despite the doubts)) >
> > PAlb/Dacian?
> > > > > *ahúnta: > Alb. húndë
> > > >
> > > > [AK]
> > > > All these etymologies, for me, are not plausible.
> > >
> > > [Marius] Not plausible? based on what?
> > > 1. Sematism? Identical.
> > > 2. Phonetic Rules? Ok.
> > >
> > > Either you have arguments or ...
> >
> > [AK]
> > You start again to ride the dead horse, for, as far as I

remember,

> > as Piotr as I have given to you much convinced arguments about
> Alb.
> > <gjuhë>, <vjehër> etc.
> > >
>
>
> A PIE nil-grade *nh2s-únt-o/eh2 > PAlb/Dacian? *asunta: > Alb.

hundë

>
> is Strong Enough, Abdullah to stand-up by itself ...maybe you

still

> not realize this yet...but this is the situation :)
>
>
> (If I remeber well: that 'convinced arguments' didn't supply any
> etymology for gjuhë & kohë (I will not count 'your invalid ones'
> here))
>
>
> Marius

I was not so wise to see that I have to deal with genius:), but
little invalid in mind and in language.