Re: PIE suffix *-ro - 'similar-with' => *meik'- & *mik'-ró

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 42838
Date: 2006-01-08

> Piotr wrote:
> *mik^-ró- 'mixed' (Lith. mis^ras, Skt. mis'rá-) from *meik^-
> 'mix'.
>
> <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > a. "X-ro" = "Y" <=>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > b. " 'the-nature-of(X) IS-DIFFERENT-FROM the-nature-of(Y)"
> > and
> > c. "Y is-ressembling/it-looks-like X"
> > -----------------------------------------------------------



PIE *mik^; *meik^ -- "to mix two liquids or two substances"
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Latin misceo: - 'to mix'

1. mix two liquids/substances

a) "pix sulphure mixta" Verg. "mixed sulphur wiht pitch"
b) "misceo: mella Falerno" Horat. "'to add (by mixing) honey in the
wine"
c) "misceo: fletium cruori" Ovid. "to mix tears with blood"

Of course, Latin misceo: has also the secondary meanings that you
can detect in Skt. mi`sra (like 'mixtum genus' Virg. "mixted race")
but you will well see below that the initial meaning of PIE *meik^,
*mik^ "to mix two liquids or two substances" is completed absent
from Skt. mi`sra (see below all the meanings of this word and of its
compounds)


PIE *mik^-ro <<Initial meeting: ressembling/like ('mixed-like')
two mixed substances/liquids (but having a different nature)"
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NOTE: All the below words are from Skt. (I couldn't find Lith. mi~sra
in any of the dictionary that I could consulted)

Before to quote the meanings of MW-Skt.-dictioanry I will start
here with RIG VEDA attestation of mi`sra

RIG VEDA ATTESTATION of Skt. mi`sra
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váca:m.si mi`srá: kr.n.ava:vahai n`u [10.95.1b] "to mingle
words => to talk together"

URL: http://www.indo-european.nl/cgi-bin/response.cgi?
root=leiden&morpho=0&basename=\data\ie\concord&first=14361

NOTE: Please note the abstract meaning of mi`sra in Rig-Veda 'to
mingle words'


Sankrit Meanings:
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1. mi`sr (also written misr, properly Nom. fr. mi`sra below),
mi`srayati (or mi`sra:payati ), to mix, mingle, blend, combine
('with', instr.)
• to add Su:ryas.

2. mi`sra
mi`srá mf(á:)n. mixed, mingled, blended, combined
(vaca:m.si mi`sra: 1. kr. A. -kr.n.ute, to mingle words, talk
together RV. x, 93, 1)
• manifold, diverse, various TS.
• mixed or connected or furnished with, accompanied by (instr. with
or without samam gen. or comp
• rarely mi`sra ibc., cf. mi`sra-va:ta) VS.
• pl. (ifc. after honorific epithets =
• e.g. a:rya-mi`sra:h., respectable or honourable people
• often also in sg. ifc. and rarely ibc. with proper names by way of
respect, cf. kr.s.n.a-, madhu-m and comp. below)
• mixing, adulterating: (cf. dha:nyam-)
• m. a kind of elephant L.
• (in music) a kind of measure
• N. of various authors and other men (also abbreviation for some
names ending in mi`sra e.g. for Madana-, Mitra-, Va:caspati-
mt.i`sra)
• n. principal and interest Lalit. (cf. -dhana)
• a species of radish


Other Compounds : NO TRACE OF MIXING 2 LIQUIDS OR 2 SUBSTANCES
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a) mi`srake`sava
-ke`sava m. N. of an author Cat.

b) mi`srake`si:
-ke`si: f. N. of an Apsaras

c) mi`sracaturbhuja
-catur-bhuja m. N. of a man

d) mi`sracora
-cora or m. an adulterator of grain

e) mi`sracaura
-caura m. an adulterator of grain

f) mi`sraja
-ja m. 'mixed-born', a mule

g) mi`sraja:ti
-ja:ti mfn. being of mixed birth or breed, one whose parents belong
to different castes

h) mi`srata:
-ta: f. mixedness, mixture MBh. R.

i) mi`srada:modara
-da:modara m. N. of the supposed arranger of the Maha:-na:taka

k) mi`sradinakara
-dina-kara m. N. of a Sch.

j) mi'sradhana
-dhana n. principal and interest Lalit.

l) mi`sradha:nya
-dha:nya n. mixed grain
-> (mi`sra-), mfn. made by mixing various kinds of grain

m) mi`srapus.pa:
- pus.pa: f. Trigonella Foenum Graecum

n) mi`sraprakr.tika
-prakr.tika mfn. of a mixed nature

o) mi`srabha:va
-bha:va m. N. of the author of the Bha:va-praksi:a (also called
Bha:va-mi`sra)

p) mi`sralat.akana
-lat.akana m. N. of the father of Mi`sra-bha:va

q) mi`sravarn.a
-varn.a mfn. being of a mixed colour
-> m. a species of sugar-cane
-> (in music) a kind of measure
-> n. a kind of black aloe-wood
-> -phala: f. Solanum-Melongena

r) mi`sravr.tta
-vr.tta n. a mixed story (partly popular and partly supernatural, as
the source of a kind of drama)

s) mi`sravyavaha:ra
-vyavaha:ra m. (in arithm.) investigation of mixed or combined
quantities, ascertainment of anything combined (as of principal and
interest)

t) mi`sra`sabda
- `sabda m. a mule L. (cf. mi`sra-ja)

u) mi`sraka
mi`sráka mfn. mixed (either 'not pure' or 'various, manifold') Var.
Su`sr. (with gun.a-stha:na n. N. of the third degree on the way to
final emancipation Jain.)
• singing out of tune
• m. a mixer or adulterator (of grain)
• salt produced from salt soil
• a pigment produced from clarified butter
• N. of a Tirtha
• of a grove or garden of paradise

v) mi`srakavyavaha:ra
-vyavaha:ra m. = mitra-v-

w) mi`sraka:van.a
mi`sraka:-van.a n. Indra's pleasure-grove

x) mi`sran.
mi`sran.a n. mixing, mixture
• addition Col.

y) mi'sran.i:ya
mi'sram.i;ya mfn. to be mixed or mingled

z) mi`srita
mi`srita mfn. mixed, blended with (comp.)
• promiscuous, miscellaneous (as taste)
• added
• respectable ib. -ma:ha:tmya n. N. of wk

a1) mi`srin
mi`srin m. N. of a serpent. demon

b1) mi`sri:
mi`sri: in comp. for mi`sra

c1) mi`sri:karan.a
-karan.a n. the act of mixing, seasoning. an ingredient

d1) mi`sri:kr.
-√kr. P. -karoti, to mixing, mingle with (instr.)

e1) mi`sri:bha:va
-bha:va m. mixing, mingling, mixture
• mingling carnally, sexual intercourse

f1) mi`sri:bhu:
-bhu: P. -bhavati, to become mixed, mix (also sexually). interwine,
meet together




Meaning of PIE *mik^-ro
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*mik^-ro "similar-with 'mixed liquids or substances' (but having a
different nature) "

Examples to justify this meaning: being of mixed birth or breed, one
whose parents belong to different castes, promiscuous, mixed grain,
an adulterator of grain, a mule, to mingle words, a mixed story,
diverse (but nothing that refered to the basic meaning: 'to mix to
liquids or substances')

Marius