Re: [tied] Re: h1,h2,h3 in Albanian

alexandru_mg3 wrote:

> 'The monstroisity' is not 'so big' (but it was only bHr.h1g^-
> sorry :)) if the 'original' full-grade was : *bherHg^-o and the H
> here is not the h1 of a supposed 'long form' with eh1. The long form
> was resulting from a lengthening e>e: after the laryngeal H was
> lost: *bhe:r(H)g^-o (so you made 'a confusion' the source of e: is
> nor eh1r > erh1 as you suspected but e>e: caused by H>zero)

This doesn't explain BSl. *-re:- (_not_ *-e:r-) or IIr. *-ra:-.
Secondary full grades of the type CeRC instead of CReC are a dime a
dozen. It was the "samprasarana" alternation CReC/CR.C that came to be
regarded as aberrant in post-PIE times as opposed to "regular"
CeRC/CR.C, so if we see CeRC attested beside CReC, the latter variant
normally proves to be archaic and the former innovated.

> There is no 'original' & in Albanian (even it was suspected, if
> you know one please post the example) so in that 'ancient' time h3 >
> o or zero.
>
> The Methathesis ur~ru,ul~lu,ir~ri are well reflected in Albanian
> so I don't see any issue to add ar~ra for rH clusters : *prh3-wo >
> *pra-wa > *par-a [based on rh3>ra>ar here]
>
> The Methathesis was trigerred by the non-stressed position of
> rh3>ra

It's all ad hoc. There's no evidence for a "quite recent" metathesis of
*ra > ar in Albanian.

> Please note also the Fact that we don't have rr in Albanian parë
> shows us that the original form was *pra-wa and that the Methathesis
> is quite recent...

We don't know if *rw > rr in Albanian. <arrë>, which is sometimes
offered as an example, may be based on any kind of productive
suffixation, e.g. *h2ar-nah2.

> or *bHr.h1g^-ó- was only reshaped in a: in PAlb (like many other o-
> stems)
> X-ró- adjectives&nouns means 'like X' so I don't see any -ró- here

You wouldn't see it in Albanian. My suggested dissimilation would have
happened already in PIE. Don't assume that whatever I write must be of
direct relevance to Albanian/Romanian problems. Sometimes I just want to
understand the PIE form itself. BTW, X-ró- doesn't mean 'like X'; the
suffix forms deverbal adjectives, and is an alternative to (or even a
variant of) *-nó-. Cf. *h2r.g^-ó-/*h2r.g^-ró- for a similar case.

Piotr