[tied] Re: PIE voiceless aspirates

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
wrote:

> At 10:46:45 PM on Saturday, November 5, 2005,
> david_russell_watson wrote:
> >
> > Well if it's analyzed phonemically, then it's /hju:/, but
> > if instead phonetically, then it's [çu:].
>
> That would be a very poor representation of my pronunciation,
> even ignoring the fact that my vowel is more like [Uw].

Well that's my vowel too, in fact.

> As near as I can tell, my initial consonant involves simultaneous
> or near-simultaneous gestures as for [x] and [j],

Even in that case though, the j-element manifests as a palatal
fricative, does it not? So you should have in any case a co-
ordinate velar-palatal fricative, if not the simple palatal
fricative described by Richard.

I always assumed that I was using a simple palatal fricative for
/hj/ too, but now I'm not so sure that I don't really pronounce
it as you do.

Does anybody know of any other occurences of /hj/ in English for
us to experiment with?

David