How many velar series in P.I.E? (was Re: [tied] *kW- "?")

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-
language@...> wrote:

> That Pokorny or LIV have PIE roots beginning with *ke- that do

_not_ show

> palatalized reflexes of dorsals in satem languages is quite

immaterial.

>
> The palatalization of dorsals before -*e happened in pre-PIE,

before the

> institution of the Ablaut vowel (*A = *e/*o/*Ø); said another way:

pre-PIE

> *e palatalizes, PIE Ablaut *e does not palatalize dorsals.
>
> Even earlier, *k^ had been merely an allophone of *k before *e but

by

> pre-PIE, *k^ achieved phonemic status.
>
> In centum languages, *k^ merged into *k.
>
> Therefore, one may legitimately reconstruct PIE roots beginning

with

> *k^a(:)- and *k^o(:)- and *ke(:)-.
>
> Of course, *k here is shorthand for all dorsals: *g, *gh, *k, *k

(h),

> _except_ velarized dorsals (*gW, *ghW, *kW, *k(h)W).

No, it is not immaterial that some PIE roots begin with *k^e-,
others with *ke- and still others with *kWe-. That constitutes k^ :
k : kW as three lexically distinct phonemes for the IE protolanguage
where they may appear in the same environments in opposition to each
other. That's what Lehmann did not want to accept. That was
obviously a wrong choice.

Jens