Re: [tied] Re: Short and long vowels; the explanation of Old Indian

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 39271
Date: 2005-07-17

Pre-PIE had three vowels: *e, *a, and *o.
 
These vowels entered into combination with the 'laryngeal', *H, to produce *e:, *a:, and *o: in PIE.
 
All pre-PIE short vowels became PIE *A, the Ablaut vowel/segment, which eventually had the manifestations *e, *o, or *Ø; which form *A took was a function of stress-accentual conditions.
 
PIE retained pre-PIE *e:, *a:, and *o: unchanged.
 
In many PIE-derived languages, the zero-grade of *e: was *e; of *a:, *a; and of *o:, o.
 
Indo-Iranian changed all PIE *e, *a, and *o to <a>.
 
In open syllables, *o was further modified to <a:>.
 
Indo-Iranian changed all PIE *e:, *a:, and *o: to <a:>.
 
The zero-grade of Indo-Iranian <a> was <Ø> where possible; although various devices were used to ameliorate difficult combinations.
 
The zero-grade of Indo-Iranian <a:> was <i>.
 
Indo-Iranian <a> + <y> was <e:> (/ey/); the zero grade of <e:> was <i>.
 
Indo-Iranian <a> + <w> was <o:> (/ou/); the zero grade of <o:> was <u>.
 
These proves the vowel + glide nature of these two Inod-Iranian long vowels.
 
If Indo-Iranian <a:> was /aa/, the zero-grade should have been /a/, i.e. <*a>; but it is <i>.
 
Therefore, Indo-Iranian <a:> _cannot_ have phonetically been /aa/.
 
To judge by known Indo-Iranian processes, the phonetic realization of <a:> would have had to have been /ay/, the zero-grade of which would unforcedly have been /i/, <i>.
 
If pre-PIE *H were phonetically realized as /ç/ in PIE, for Indo-Iranian, a change to /y/ would involve simple voicing.
 
I have no doubt that at the time of Panini, <a:> was pronounced as /aa/. A development of /ay/ to /aa/ is very common. But because of its zero-grade realization, /i/, <a:> cannot have been /aa/.
 
To summarize, the crux of this problem is understanding the correct phonetic nature of Indo-Iranian <a:>. 
 
Some of the readers who are not native English speakers will question whether long vowels are double-length by definition. In English, _all_ long vowels involve glides.
 
 
 
Patrick