From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 39238
Date: 2005-07-15
> On 7/15/05, elmeras2000 <jer@...> wrote:I hope that we agree that *k'erdho-/k'erdha:- are aberrant, for we
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
> > wrote:
> > > elmeras2000 wrote:
> > >
> > > > ... Now, for
> > > > *reH1d-, that has the following effect: *O-reH1d-é/ó- > *O-rH1d-
> > é/ó- >
> > > > *O-rd-e/o- with loss of the laryngeal and therefore no
> > aspiration, and
> > > > finally PIE *ord-e/o-. The O-infix formations are thematic, so I
> > would
> > > > believe the Latin n-stem ordin- has a background comparable to
> > the
> > > > Germanic weak adjective: *-o-s => *-on-. This of course all
> > depends on
> > > > the corectness of a number of observations and rules about them
> > which
> > > > are not generally accepted (but never replaced by an alternative
> > > > either!), so this is a possibility only to the precious few who
> > really
> > > > believe.
> > >
> > > I don't know if I'm a true believer, but I must say I'm greatly
> > > impressed. What do you make of Slavic *reNdU 'row, order' and
> > Baltic
> > > *rínda:? One would like to integrate them somehow into this
> > analysis.
> > >
> > > Piotr
> >
> > Thank you, Piotr. The short answer is, I don't know. The forms make
> > me think of a problem of long standing which is hardly ever
> > addressed. There are some surprising nasalized derivatives also from
> > noun stems that show the nasal in a surprisingly early position.
> >
> > *k^erH2w- + -n- -> *k^r-n-u- 'horn'
> > *trewH- + -n- -> *trnu- 'grass, thorn'?
> >
> > Might one perhaps think of a comparable process in
> >
> > *reH1d- + -n- -> *rnd- ??
> >
> > I find in Skok the SbCr forms re^d m., re^d, -i f., re"da f.,
> > pointing to PSl *reN^dU m. (c), *reN^dI, -i f. (c?), *re"Nda f. (a).
> > I see in Bezlaj's Etimolos^ki slovar slovenskega jezika III (1995),
> > where practically every entry has been recast by Marko Snoj or Metka
> > Furlan, that the latter posits a pair *reN^dU : *re"Nda on the
> > pattern of *vor^nU : *vo"rna without further explanation. If
> > anywhere near the truth it looks like vrddhi in a collective, itself
> > a most respectful possibility. It would be of a relative late
> > vintage, based as it is on the zero-grade, i.e. *rind-o-/*ri:nd-a:-.
> >
> > Now, Lat. ordo: is an n-stem, so perhaps there is a connection, and
> > perhaps this even pulls the rug from under the find O-infix analysis
> > of the unaspirated /d/. It is not solved in a second I'm afraid.
> >
> > Jens
> ************
> Isn't much easier to see in the root *o:rdh- 'order, row' just a
> variant of PIE *k'erdho-/k'erdha:- 'row, troop, line'. We have an
> example in *kost- 'leg, bone' and *ost(h)- 'id.'.
> Konushevci
>