--- In
cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
> elmeras2000 wrote:
>
> > ... Now, for
> > *reH1d-, that has the following effect: *O-reH1d-é/ó- > *O-rH1d-
é/ó- >
> > *O-rd-e/o- with loss of the laryngeal and therefore no
aspiration, and
> > finally PIE *ord-e/o-. The O-infix formations are thematic, so I
would
> > believe the Latin n-stem ordin- has a background comparable to
the
> > Germanic weak adjective: *-o-s => *-on-. This of course all
depends on
> > the corectness of a number of observations and rules about them
which
> > are not generally accepted (but never replaced by an alternative
> > either!), so this is a possibility only to the precious few who
really
> > believe.
>
> I don't know if I'm a true believer, but I must say I'm greatly
> impressed. What do you make of Slavic *reNdU 'row, order' and
Baltic
> *rínda:? One would like to integrate them somehow into this
analysis.
>
> Piotr
Thank you, Piotr. The short answer is, I don't know. The forms make
me think of a problem of long standing which is hardly ever
addressed. There are some surprising nasalized derivatives also from
noun stems that show the nasal in a surprisingly early position.
*k^erH2w- + -n- -> *k^r-n-u- 'horn'
*trewH- + -n- -> *trnu- 'grass, thorn'?
Might one perhaps think of a comparable process in
*reH1d- + -n- -> *rnd- ??
I find in Skok the SbCr forms re^d m., re^d, -i f., re"da f.,
pointing to PSl *reN^dU m. (c), *reN^dI, -i f. (c?), *re"Nda f. (a).
I see in Bezlaj's Etimolos^ki slovar slovenskega jezika III (1995),
where practically every entry has been recast by Marko Snoj or Metka
Furlan, that the latter posits a pair *reN^dU : *re"Nda on the
pattern of *vor^nU : *vo"rna without further explanation. If
anywhere near the truth it looks like vrddhi in a collective, itself
a most respectful possibility. It would be of a relative late
vintage, based as it is on the zero-grade, i.e. *rind-o-/*ri:nd-a:-.
Now, Lat. ordo: is an n-stem, so perhaps there is a connection, and
perhaps this even pulls the rug from under the find O-infix analysis
of the unaspirated /d/. It is not solved in a second I'm afraid.
Jens