Re: Alb. 'delirium'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@...> wrote:
> > Could Albanian <jerm> `delirium' be related to PIE root *ser- `to
> line
> > up' as a metaphorical use to characterize the speech, discourse

(cf.

> > Lat. sermo, -onis < *ser-mon), especially if we agree that Alb.
> > <ligjëroj> `to orate, discourse' is derived from prefixed form lë-
> > *sora:-nyo > lë-*gjaronj > ligjëroj (cf. lë•bardh `to white',
> > lë•var `to hang'). Its derivative <ligjër•atë> covers fully Latin
> > <sermo, -onis>. In VP Alb. <flas jerm> `to speak in delirium> is
> > synonymic with <flas përçartë> `id.' <Përçartë>, to my view, is
> > prefixed form of <çartë> `quarrel, disagreement', probably from

*tsh-

> > `dis' + *arH-to `to fit together'.
>
> Looking further on derivatives of this root, I found out also that
> Alb. <n•gjëronj> 'to sample, to taste'< *en- + sera:-nyo and
> <n•gjër•atë> 'dip to be eaten with bread'(cf. Lat. insert) should

be

> derived from this root.
> I think that there derivatives prove that also Alb.

<për•gjëroj> 'to

> have a deep yearning, to pledge one's love/devotion' is also

inherited

> word and not a loan from Lat. <për- + jura:re> 'to swear'.
>
> >
> > Konushevci

Hello Abdullah,
If the opened/closed syllable rule is ok regarding e > je/ja in
Albanian (I have some doubts here), then Alb. jerm 'delirium' should
have had an open syllable: in this case something like *je-rma < *e-
rma is hard to be accepted...

Viewing this we can go only on the following paths:

1) to accept a contraction:
*é-rV-ma < jé-rV-ma < jérm where maybe V=u *é-ru-ma (like in bark <
PAlb *baruka), in order to easy obtain a valid open syllable.

2) or also to suspect a link with Romanian vb. 'aiurá'
'to rave; to rant; (fig) to talk nonsense'
(in fact yourself has detected this possible link in the past)

We can have:
2.1 PAlb *ajo:r-ma (sb.) (with the PIE suffix *-mo) > LatePAlb
*ajerma > Alb. jerm

NOTE-1: a- > zero it's regular, but I'm not sure about aio: > aie: >
je


2.2 PAlb *aio:r-á (vb.) > PRom aiorá > Rom. aiurá

NOTE-2: with regular non-stressed o > u in Romanian.

Of course remains to can identify the PIE root, too.

Best Regards,
Marius